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God said to Adam: "In the day thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." I was told by a Minister, whom I love dearly and respect highly, that Adam didn't die spiritually in Eden. (He wasn't Spiritual, only innocent; but, isn't innocent - without blame, or condemnation?) He continued: The reason being: "that it would mean a man could be saved then lost, and Holy scripture contridicts that." Well, Satan fell, and many of the Angels. God can do as He wills to bring about His purpose; and it doesn't necessarily mean that those saved by the work of Christ can, or will, ever fall from grace- as I agree with him on what the Bible says concerning that. Look at the Biblical evidence. "In the DAY thou eatest thereof" - "Adam lived physically many more years." ( and I have heard the rendering: "Dieing, thou shalt die; but it doesn't convince, and no-one knows who coined the phrase, as far as I know.). Continuing on: " Ye hath he quickened who were dead". "Marvel not at this Nicodemus, ye must be born again". "In Adam, all died." "Everything after it's own kind." "Ye are passed from death unto life." And, "The dry bones"- The wind blew (Holy Spirit of God - "the wind bloweth where it listeth, and no man knoweth whither it cometh or where it goeth; so is everyone born of the Spirit)- (that being the whole house of Spiritual Israel. The Israel spoken of by Paul in Gal.3. - "Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made - not to seeds as many, but to seed as one, meaning Christ - and, if ye be Christ's then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.") All of this seems to me that we are brought from a condition of Spiritual death to Spiritual life, as before this, we are carnel and natural man. You can see the condition of them in Scripture with your concordence. ("Neither indeed can be" - "Neither can he know" -NO ABILITY) I could be wrong, but no-one has shown me convincingly that I am. Do many, or any, of God's people hold this view, or, am I an oddball? By God's grace, Lionel
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