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Dear brethren in Christ-Jesus,
As Paul opens his letters in the New-Testament, so do I to you...
Out of the big picture of our Lord's active point of view of the here and now, I am writing to ask you to pray for the relationship between myself and someone who occupies a very special place in nearly 5 of my last years.
He owns and operates an internet lab since 1998. It is called Minciu Sodas. http://www.ms.lt/
I met him online in April of 2005, as I was surfing and looking for ways to serve the Lord online from my isolated stay-at-home-dad position. I came across a Yahoo group called Loving God: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lovingGod/ From that group, I read a letter that promted me to engage with the writer, who is this owner of that Minciu Sodas lab.
He invited me to tell him what is my key concept in life and what is the question to which I dont know the answer to, but for which I am willing to investigate openly, in the Public Domain, via the internet.
So I went on from there, hoping for communion to lead the way, sooner or latter...
I went along with him through different attempts to develop and to reachout. The latest framework of such outreach is called Worknets. Here are the nearly 500 pages of my contribution with which I seek/sought? to enter in communion with him, in the service of the ministry: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lovingGod/message/723
He is a math phd from USA, born of parents who fled the U.S.S.R. from Lithuania. When the U.S.S.R. came down, he moved back with his parents. His father is re-building the royal palace after overcoming cancer like a miracle, while he seeks to serve and organise "independant thinkers" from around the world with the internet.
Instead of trying to explain how to pray, I am simply going to ask you to read our last chat that happened today (02,Feb,2010) and ask you to let the Holy Spirit guide your prayer(s):
AndriusKulikauskas: Hi I want to write a letter about authorities for our culture and a pattern language, too.
BenoitCouture: Salut Andrius! :: How do you like Vienna?
AndriusKulikauskas: Hi Benoit, it's very nice here and I'm enjoying staying with Franz and trying to set up my life further for the future.
BenoitCouture: That's great!
AndriusKulikauskas: How are you? I'm very happy that Debbie got better.
BenoitCouture: Here Debbie is back to work as of Monday
AndriusKulikauskas: I'm radically rethinking Minciu Sodas. :: Wow, that's a great miracle. :: I'm happy for your whole family and for all of us.
BenoitCouture: Josh is straightenning out quite well
AndriusKulikauskas: It's great to witness miracles. :: Wow! that may be even a greater miracle, too. :: Hi to him.
BenoitCouture: He'll be happy to hear that :: He's back at work steady, which is a good indicator
AndriusKulikauskas: I'm writing a letter about my goals. :: I want to organize a culture of independent thinkers. :: And it seems that there isn't just one big on-off switch in a person that says whether they will participate in such a culture.
BenoitCouture: Is the letter going to include your re-thinking of Minciu ?
AndriusKulikauskas: It's not the model as where Jesus offers "believe in me" and that's the one choice you make. :: Yes I'm trying to overview my direction.
BenoitCouture: Is there a possibility that it might become so?
AndriusKulikauskas: So it's dozens or hundreds of choices that a person may choose to make. :: The kingdom of heaven is for the "poor in spirit" who want to take many small leaps of faith, not one big one. :: I'm completely devoted but I don't see anybody else who wants to be.
BenoitCouture: The initial step is the one that God Himself takes toward us. Then the rest follows
AndriusKulikauskas: I live the life of the Sermon on the Mount and I don't see anybody else doing so. :: And I went to God rather than he come to me. :: And I engage God, speak to him, listen to him :: and I don't know other people who do.
BenoitCouture: He'll take Your move toward Him and guide it right where He meets you
AndriusKulikauskas: And I've invested in people and invited them to live such a life but people are too weak. :: And I'm under intense pressures of all kind.
BenoitCouture: That is why the kingdom relies entirely on His being
AndriusKulikauskas: So I'm rethinking what I want and how to pursue it. :: I'm not sure you are hearing me.
BenoitCouture: I think your are isolated and looking for communion
AndriusKulikauskas: I'm not looking for communion :: but I'm looking for creation.
BenoitCouture: Is that not what you wrote just now?
AndriusKulikauskas: I'm creating a culture :: I'm looking for devotion - people who are devoted
BenoitCouture: Let God be the creator and join in the service. That is where communion is and where the order of creation moves
AndriusKulikauskas: was Jesus looking for communion? :: why do you teach me?
BenoitCouture: Because you obviously need it
AndriusKulikauskas: I will go back to work... you don't hear me
BenoitCouture: Yes Jesus was looking for communion.
AndriusKulikauskas: anyways, I'm not going to try to organize Minciu Sodas any more as a set of networking venues :: I'm going to work on a pattern language of a culture for independent thinkers :: I will organize people who are bold enough to be authorities :: for part or all of that culture :: and willing to be held accountable for that :: for their knowledge they contribute. :: If you want to be treated as an authority - and held accountable for your knowledge - then I invite you to apply.
BenoitCouture: What else have I done from the very start? :: I have nothing BUT accountable :: ...to that which you claim wanting accountability to be :: So why should have to apply again??? :: oops...should I have to apply again?
BenoitCouture: So what Andrius Kulikaukas, you cant be accountable to your own claims and you going to shut me out?
AndriusKulikauskas: Benoit, what do you mean? :: Hi Benoit :: I will reenter :: Hi Benoit
BenoitCouture: I saw the link and I know that there also belongs "...going from the spiritual division of human DNA to the organic experience of spiritual unity
AndriusKulikauskas: Hi Benoit
BenoitCouture: Salut Andrius, I'm here
AndriusKulikauskas: Yes we have a list of deepest values http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Values :: My situation is that I want to organize a culture of independent thinkers.
BenoitCouture: It is also the basic building block of the kingdom of heaven
AndriusKulikauskas: And when I have spoken to concrete people such as Franz Nahrada, Pamela McLean, Markus Petz and others :: I see that they don't commit to such a culture in the way that I do. :: They don't give back in the way that I give. :: They don't champion the values that I champion. :: And they aren't inclined to embrace such a culture with all of their heart. :: So this huge investment that I've been making isn't viable.
BenoitCouture: You are obviously very frustrated and stressed by the pressure.
AndriusKulikauskas: If I set up venues for them in the Public Domain, but they instead create new venues for themselves that are not in the Public Domain, for example. :: I'm just facing the pressure and choosing my path. :: So what I want to focus on is organizing the culture and understanding it. :: And I want to let go of the parts that aren't essential. :: And focus on what's relevant. :: Last year I drafted a Charter http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Charter :: and hoped that people might take up those principles as a personal choice :: as an "on-off" switch and turn it on.
BenoitCouture: Dont you think that the insistance of the Public Domain should be shouldered by more than individuals.
AndriusKulikauskas: But there isn't a single person willing to. :: Here in Vienna, Wael Al Saad suggested that I author a pattern language for this culture, and indeed that's an old idea that I think is good. :: That way people can learn the patterns and take up each one :: and there may be hundreds of them :: and so each person can make their own decisions about each of the patterns they want to take up or not. :: Like having a "deepest value", "investigatory question", "endeavors", "dream in life". :: Following rules like "Public Domain except as noted", "you can't pay people to care". :: And my role is to author this language and take responsibility for it because I dare to and others don't
BenoitCouture: This is what I carried on with you all along.
AndriusKulikauskas: But then also it became clear that some people are willing to be authorities for aspects of the culture :: that they feel personally competent regarding :: for example, Franz and Global villages. :: And he knows a lot about that because that's key in his life :: but also he would be willing for me to grill him regarding that :: and wrestle with him regarding his and my integrity :: because he isn't necessarily true to his beliefs :: and so it's important for me to hold him accountable :: to make sure that what he offers is true. :: So that's a way that I welcome others :: if they want me to include their wisdom :: and are willing for me to grill them on it :: and also draw on it :: and likewise they may challenge me.
BenoitCouture: That's what I tried doing up above but you ignored it and asked "why do you teach me?"
AndriusKulikauskas: So I want to focus on people who want to be challenged moraly. :: Benoit, ok :: But is that your role? :: My question is :: What is your sphere of authority?
BenoitCouture: Is that not what you just finished writing about?
AndriusKulikauskas: I wrote about myself. :: And I'm curious about you.
BenoitCouture: You ask me that question??? :: You do not know by now?
AndriusKulikauskas: yes - it's a fresh question :: it's fair for me to ask fresh :: What do you think of yourself as an authority on?
BenoitCouture: Loving God because He loves me first is my sphere from the start of being with Minciu because it is so for the last 35 years or so
AndriusKulikauskas: By "Loving God" do you mean "God who is loving" or your loving God?
BenoitCouture: Both as I wrote
AndriusKulikauskas: Would you like to contribute your observations about that dynamics? :: And would you like me to grill you on that regarding your personal life, how that manifests itself?
BenoitCouture: Could you ask the question differently. I'm not sure what it is
AndriusKulikauskas: So that I can check if what you say is real in your life? :: Would you like to be an authority for me about "Loving God"?
BenoitCouture: That is all that has happened since you know me
AndriusKulikauskas: Well... :: I'm trying to define a relationship where
BenoitCouture: The point is that I am grilling myself harder than anyone else could do...if we are going to stay within the truth
AndriusKulikauskas: 1) I could turn to you for your insight :: 2) you could offer your insight
BenoitCouture: and I did so all along in the Public Domain
AndriusKulikauskas: 3) I could grill you to check if what you say is true in your personal life :: 4) given such a relationship, you could likewise grill me :: I have mostly held back on #3 and so I'm seeking a relationship with people who would like me to challenge them morally and not be defensive.
BenoitCouture: So you first and then if you are satisfied than my turn???
AndriusKulikauskas: If you don't want me to grill you :: then I don't want to organize around you
BenoitCouture: You did since I know you
AndriusKulikauskas: Not nearly as much as I could. :: And do you want me to? that is the question. :: Then you can be an authority for me. :: But not the other way around. :: Because if I grill you, then you have currency with me.
BenoitCouture: You definitely dont want communion and you obviously need to feel like the creator of relationship.
AndriusKulikauskas: Which is what I am seeking - people who are authorites. :: It's what I offer :: and what I'm going to focus on.
BenoitCouture: I dont know where you have been since April of 2005, but you are writing as if we were complete stranger and to me that makes you a control freak. Open your eyes Andrius and re-read carefully this chat and then wake up and smell the coffee. I've been waiting for you all along to finally let go of being the creator and come where God calls us. In the communion.
AndriusKulikauskas: Benoit, I think its the opposite - you want to control me - you don't know God and me
BenoitCouture: Let God be God and stop sitting in judgement of all of us as you just did all along this chat
AndriusKulikauskas: Benoit, maybe I don't have anything more to offer you. :: Maybe I need to let go.
BenoitCouture: I go for self-control and my plate is full with that and my family. i have sought to support and to promote you all along
AndriusKulikauskas: Thank you, Benoit. :: So I'm explaining where I'm going so that you would know.
BenoitCouture: Accountability is not my problem. :: never was :: What will happened to all the material? :: Are going to answer or are we done?
AndriusKulikauskas: The material will stay in the same place.
BenoitCouture: Thank you.
AndriusKulikauskas: But you should make a copy.
BenoitCouture: I will now go pray for you and you can expect to find out shortly that yes, I do know God and that because of that, I also know all that God needs me to know of you....may all blessings be with us all...Eternal Salut be with you Andrius...
AndriusKulikauskas: Thank you, Benoit :: Hi, I'm around, working on a pattern language for a culture of independent thinkers, then writing a letter about that and organizing authorities for our culture. :: Hi I'm writing up patterns for a pattern language for a culture of independent thinkers. ------------------------------------------------- Soon after, he posted the following call to the lab's people: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lovingGod/message/724
Please brethren, pray for the Lord to pave the way of the overcomer for each and us all. Let us pray to the Lord for His mercy upon myself and Andrius, so that we may be given the custom fit disciplining we need to be joined into God's assembling of His people on earth now, reaching out the here of everyone who seeks to find the Loving God and Creator of us all...In Christ-Jesus I pray...Amen to God's Yes in us all...
-------------------- ...all blessings be with us all... Benoit Couture
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Hi Benny, You know you're our brother in Christ here. But I've go to tell you, this guy makes me tired. You have incredible patience with him. It would "seem" to me that the centerpiece of his concerns is himself. His labor seems idolatrous in nature, religious in content, and void of life. Ouch. That seems so hard and uncaring. But that is not why I said what I did. I do care. This poor bloke needs to be unhooked from himself and hooked up to God. Now, on the other hand, if he is in fact part of the remnant and desires fellowship with folks who shy from compromise, you should be able to help him out with some clues. Their out there, just few and far between. There is nothing hidden unto God. Simply ask Him to show you what you need to see in order to release this poor fellow from his burden.
My latest prayer for him is that he and his current project of "Authorities and Patterns" gets to be tuned by the Holy Spirit into our Lord's authority.
-- Like a tuning fork does for all musical instruments, I ask You Lord to bring Andrius to be in You and in harmony with You and the rest of Your servants. I ask You to use his current position and project to draw him to where he no longer imagine You, but actually hears and receives Your voice and Your Word made flesh...sitting in Christ-Jesus in the heavenlies I pray with Your Church...Amen to Your Yes in us all...
-------------------- ...all blessings be with us all... Benoit Couture
--Please Lord, guide Andrius through to Your communion with You and with Your people and show me how to leave him to You without my getting dragged nor overwhelmed in the useless turn that he just took with his reply...in Christ-Jesus our Lord I pray...Amen to God's Yes in us all...
-------------------- ...all blessings be with us all... Benoit Couture
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