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Predestination to what? Election to what? Chosen to what?

Why did Luther write "Bondage of the Will" rather than "Freedom of the Will?"

If faith is "not of yourself" why do some receive this gift and others not?

Does foreknowlege mean fore-loved or fore-known?

What did Jesus mean when he said that All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. John 6?

If God operated on democratic principles, why Romans 9?

Who ultimately get the credit for your salvation?

These questions should get some discussion going.

David Anderson

[ 10-29-2004, 15:54: Message edited by: Zane Anderson ]

Bruce Woodford
      Norwich, Ontario, Canada


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Personally, I don't believe that either Calvinism or Arminianism are expressions of scriptural truth but rather reactions against error (which by way of reaction have swung the pendulum off center from the truth of God). Because of Ps.12:6; Proverbs 30:5,6 and I Corinthians 2:13 I believe that all scriptural doctrines will be stated in the pure words of the Lord, need not any added words or the wisdom of men to state them "better" than they have been stated by the Spirit of God in scripture.

Therefore, I propose a new topic "Scripture versus Calvinism and Arminianism".

A brother in Christ,
Bruce Woodford

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Hi Bruce,

Obviously, both sides appeal to Scripture and to Scripture alone. Sighhhhhh.

Just a brief inquiry as to the TULIP or 5 points arrangement. Seems like I read that it was the Arminians who came up with their 5 points first. If so, does anyone know what they were and who published them.

Somewhere here I used to have the works of Jacob Arminus in 3 volumes, I think. They turned up missing before I could read very much but I also recall that some guy named Beza was also a key player.

David Anderson

D Anderson
      Bristol, TN USA


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Hi all,

In our little town in TN, in the oldest part of the town, are two small churches on two hill-tops. A Baptist and a Presbyterian church. Interestingly to me is the fact that both adhered to the "doctrines of grace." Granted, their views of the covenant of grace differed with respect to infants.

I believe there were also "reformed Methodists." Early Congregationalists and Episcopalianss, to a degree, were also "reformed."

I cite this info as background material to the discussions which will follow.

David Anderson

D Anderson
      Bristol, TN USA


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As to the background materials, one might inquire as to God's treatment of people in the Old Testament era. Did He favor some over others?

Why, for example, is the OT the history of the Jewish peoples rather than a history of all nations?

Let's try to keep the historical background and developement of this discussion here and the analysis ot the texts in the other thread:

http://www.housechurch.org/cgi-bin/ubbcgi_hc/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/15/2.html?

Thanks! David Anderson

   

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