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Doug Mifflin
 


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On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:12:04
Bud Goltry wrote:
>Someone asked if we are saved by Jesus death or by His Life. I think the
>answer is both.
>Jesus came to fulfill the Law. He did in that He died.

Doug here:
Sorry, but He fulfilled the Law by keeping it perfectly according to both the
letter AND intent. He did not fulfill the law by his death. His death paid the
price of our sin.

>Those who neither knew the Scriptures nor the power of God judged and
> condemned Him with the Law and killed Him with the letter.
>So being sinless He died at the hands of His own Law and unjustly. This is
>the only way God could clear away the document that stood against us
>nailing it to the tree with our Lord.

Doug here:
These people knew the scriptures, that is why they knew they had to
get false witnesses... the scriptures would have found Him blameless.
These people did not kill Him with the letter, nor did He die at the
hands of His own Law. Jesus Himself said in John 10:18 that He was
laying His life down of His own accord. You keep saying "Law" here,
then you transition to the phrase "the document" implying that Jesus
nailed the Law to the cross.... (i see a case being built here for
your agenda... let's see if you develope it more as you go...)


>The tree to which our Lord was nailed represented the tree of the knowlege
>of good and evil, blessing and calamity,

Doug:
Bud, I had never thought in this line before, and it "may" be a facet of truth i have not seen before. But the most obvious representation
is exactly what the bible says it is... "cursed is anyone who hangs on a tree". Jesus was cursed because he had agreed to take on the sin of the world.


>and the document (the Law)

Doug:
I thought you'd get around to trying to slip this in. You have
repeatedly shown your disdain for the bible and or anything that
smells like we should follow scripture. You are wrong here as
scripture so plainly tells us in COl. 2. It is our SIN which was
nailed to the cross. Our sin (which we only are aware of because of
the law... Romans 7), which is articulated in the written scriptures
is what was nailed to the cross.


>represented the fruit of that tree being put back on the trbee from which
>Eve and then Adam took of it and ate of it. It was never God's heart that
>mankind have that knowlege.

Doug:
Where do you get this? Pure speculation. It was never God's`heart
that man would SIN by choosing to disobey His command.


>Then Christ was raised from the dead as the first born out of the
>dead went to the Father and His Life was given to us to be lived
>out through us as it was lived out through Him before the
>crucifixion. The reason He tells us to judge not that we not be
>judged (and He speaks that without qualification)

Doug:
Nice try, read the next verse where He explains further. Besides
this wrong example, there are numerous examples of where judging
others is needed, exampled and the purpose explained. You simply
do not want to be accountable to the body for any of your false
teaching (whether intentional or by ignorance).

Bud, I enjoy study and learning from others very much! And, I rely
on the Spirit of God within me to verify teaching. His spirit does this both by quickening within us the truth of the matter AND by the scriptures. When someone's teaching conflicts with contextual examination of scripture, the teaching is false.

I'd like to hear more on this analogy of "the tree of Knowledge of
good & evil" & the cross...

God bless,
doug - a door keeper's apprentice (psm 84:10)


   

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