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I've had Brian McLaren's writing recommended to me several times, and have borrowed and browsed three of them and I JUST DON'T GET IT.
I've discussed elsewhere that I really think Emerging Church is a huge mistake. But, to some degree I can understand it - it's just tweaking Institutional Church to be more "culturally relevant".
But this thing, that some are calling "The New Christian Left" (which seems to be socialism dressed up to look like missional Christianity), seems to me to be so, so, so weird, and people SMARTER than me are reading it and recommending.
Any thoughts? Any readers?
I'm asking, because I need help in articulating, in a 2-minute elevator speech type format, why I don't think McLaren is the one to read! The hardest part is that in some cases it is people who I thought have the same vision I have who don't see the problem.
Or... is it me???
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I haven't read an entire McLaren book, but have read snipits, and from what I have read I agree with you. It's like some have disliked the traditions of the IC and decided to rework things a bit and get the church up with current day thinking. But why not just go search the scriptures to find out how God wants us as His Church to be?
I did read something very intregueing yesterday though! It was given to me by a friend who attends house church with us. It is the twelve traditions of Alcoholics Anonymous. Google that and click on the website called the Big Book-something like that. Read it! It includes things like there being no other authority structure other than God "Our leaders are but trusted servants, they do not govern", no membership requirements, each group being autonomous, one purpose- to carry it's message to suffering alcoholics, each group is self-supporting- they don't accept outside contributions, the work of bringing their message to alcoholics is never paid- only service jobs such as janitorial or secretarial are paid, lack of organization- only organizing to meet specific needs, and others.
Their traditions seem more Biblical than those of the traditional Church!
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Right, Jean. The founder of AA was highly influenced by Evangelical Christianity, and his story is very interesting. He was part of a small group seeking the Lord, but his alcoholism made him a bit different and he needed "more" fellowship and accountability to stay sober.
Historically, there have been people who "get it" who were condemned as "not being real Christians" because they didn't "go to church," and I think "Bill" was one of those!
I have used the twelve steps as a model in some ways. As you said, it is a powerful summary of a loving, believing community. And many people who attend AA would attend a church, if they could find one that was as loving, accepting, transparent and authentic as their AA group!
I consider it a worthwhile exercise to attend an open AA meeting to see what Testimony, affirmation and accountability look like in an open meeting format. If you can find an alcoholic to take you, I'd go!
Blessings, Laurie Ann
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I know a couple of alcoholics- I think I will go!
BTW- I was reading thru a past thread and came accross your advice to look into Dr Weston Price in reguards to nutrition. It has put me on a path where I have begun to find some relief for some cronic health issues that I have dealt with for years. Thank You!
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Picture this: On oil tanker protection duty in the Persian Gulf, the Captain of a US destroyer muses: "America is already the infidel Great Satan in the eyes of the Mid East. So today, rather than endure anymore threats and taunts from this Iranian speedboat, we are going to plan B. What's to lose?"
Next scene: A shrill, whizzing sound, then a loud explosion, flames spreading across the water. The Iranian speedboat operator is sighted in the floating wreckage, holding only the charred steering wheel of his former craft. Thank goodness he's alive.
Now with all that in mind we move to the Emergent Church and to Brian McLaren. I inquire: When does a boat or car cease to be a boat or a car? Pull the motor, take the wheels off, take the sheet metal off, gut the interior, remove the tranny. Eventually, and I don't know at what point, you cease to have a car, much less one which works. You're just standing there with some parts in your hand, perhaps the steering wheel.
When does the gospel cease to be the gospel?
Brian McLaren, a self attesting "deconstructionalist," rejects the certainty of spiritual knowledge, the inspiration of scripture, the atonement as "cosmic child abuse", God's moral laws, eternal punishment, etc. One thing after another gets discarded until there is nothing much left but social issues and saving the planet. Granted, those are real issues for Christians but is that it?
So much of what the EC is setting forth as "cutting edge" is merely repackaged liberalism from a hundred years ago.
Nothing is more relavent - more authentic - than to lovingly show fellow sinners their need for a perfect sacrifice which alone can remove sin and guilt and satisfy a holy God.
Jesus did not die and shed his blood for nothing, my brothers and sisters. For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
The apostles boldly declared the true gospel knowing that some would be offended in a big way. They did not merely start "conversations" which were intended to conclude like: Well, we really can't know anything for sure..."
Good news: Some in the blogosphere believe they've noticed a receding of interest in the EC. Time shall tell. If I hear anything else about the "house church stream of the emergent church" I'll be saddened. What a sell-out by those who should know better.
quote: Now with all that in mind we move to the Emergent Church and to Brian McLaren. I inquire: When does a boat or car cease to be a boat or a car? Pull the motor, take the wheels off, take the sheet metal off, gut the interior, remove the tranny. Eventually, and I don't know at what point, you cease to have a car, much less one which works.
Perfect D. Anderson!!! I think the question is, at what point is a boat or car no longer a [functional] boat or car! There are key elements that, if removed, make a boat or car totally worthless for their intended purpose. Remove the steering mechanism of either for example, and you have a ...well, a container for putrid water and mosquitoes [the boat], or a good rodent, wasp, or snake habitat [the car]... sounds like a parable to me.
Matthew
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I am not ashamed to say that I am totally ignorant regarding the EC. However, I am grateful for your insights. Now I have one more thing to pray about.
Scripture tells of a people who have a form of godliness but lack the power. What is the power of God? I have always thought it was the power to convert the soul from Romans 8:7 to John 1:12. From carnal minds (and hearts) that are at war with God's rulership, to obedient, submissive children.
Sounds like these who have only the form of godliness manifest a lot of outward show (good works, religious zeal, pious attitudes, antics of worship, sentimental love, etc) but are not converted inside. Just look at the description of them in scripture:
I guess these would be the fruit of the flesh by which we are to judge the spirit.
2 Timothy, chaper 3 (BBE)
lovers of self, lovers of money, uplifted in pride, given to bitter words, going against the authority of their fathers, never giving praise, having no religion, Without natural love, bitter haters, saying evil of others, violent and uncontrolled, hating all good, False to their friends, acting without thought, lifted up in mind, loving pleasure more than God
Do you know anyone with these fruits that professes to be a disciple of Christ? That wo/man is a liar. Do I look at others or do I turn inward to examine myself?
Thanks to all, but especially to David for his insight.
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The “problem” in my mind is that the word religion appears at all in a “good light” in The Bible. Therefore, I figured I’d go and see why. The entire New Testament is all about relationship, and all against religion. I had to ask myself, why the one anomaly in James? By now you know me well enough to know I hit the Interlinear.
The word “religion” is used only five times in the King James New Testament. In the Greek Interlinear, the actual word is “ritual“. The truth is, the word is only used four times in three verses. (Acts 26:5, Colossians 20:18, and James 1:26-27). The problem comes in here if one pulls James 1:26-27 out of its context, there seems to be a command to live a religious life. There is no such command, not even in the King James!!!
If you start at James 1:21, and read down through James 2:13, you will see a chapter break that helps put a stop in a place where none should have been. This entire discourse [paragraph] is about “The Perfect Law of Liberty”.
The definition of this Law is in the discourse in 2:8 “If ye fulfill The Royal Law according to The Scripture, ‘Thou shall love thy neighbor as thyself,’ ye do [Greek, ‘ideally’] well.” Here, it is very clear that they were talking about what Jesus had said, in Matthew 22:36-40. They also clearly considered His teachings to be The Word. (The Greek is actually “The Writings” instead of “The Scripture“)
Why then the ritual statement? Look back to what is said in context. Note the corrective nature throughout the paragraph? Then verse 26 is a direct rebuke, stating that you don’t even have good ritual if you can’t control your tongue. Then note how small of a “ritual” we are required to uphold? Note that this “ritual” is “The Law of Liberty” which holds no rules but to: 1.) Love God and 2.) love man. This is not a set of rules, it is the exact opposite!
Surprise, surprise! This is also exactly what Jesus said to do!!!
This is a statement of freedom, no matter how hard the religious have tried to make it [rule following] religion. When read in context, there is true freedom in The Bible!
Matthew
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True freedom to do what? It concerns me when people speak of freedom with apparent wholesale abandon. I want to be free but not free of Christ.
Christ did not teach rebellion against the Jewish faith for He instituted it himself. What Jesus did do was to untangle true religion from man's traditions. His goal was to show the difference between a mere outward compliance to a set of rules and a heartfelt obedience. He wanted to take the letter of the law written in stone and write it upon fleshy tables of the heart.
What is this freedom Christ gives us? Even if it were to set us free from every tradition, ritual, or rule it would not be enough. If you were a slave, in bondage, or shut-up in prison, what would freedom mean to you? How would you define it then? In the end, Christ wants to set us free from self. If that means removing all obstacles and blinders which prevents us from seeing and hearing the truth then that work must be done first.
What do you suppose Jesus meant when He said, It's better to cut off your hand or pluck out your eye than to go into hell with a complete body? Here are the thoughts of one Christian author.
quote: In order for us to reach this high ideal, that which causes the soul to stumble must be sacrificed. It is through the will that sin retains its hold upon us. The surrender of the will is represented as plucking out the eye or cutting off the hand. Often it seems to us that to surrender the will to God is to consent to go through life maimed or crippled. But it is better, says Christ, for self to be maimed, wounded, crippled, if thus you may enter into life. That which you look upon as disaster is the door to highest benefit. --The Mount of Blessings, page 61, EGWhite.
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I think Jesus meant just what He said. I'm talking liberty, not license jqlogan. The law of liberty is the freedom to do what is righteous. That is not freedom to sin, but to live a holy life. What's wrong with that? Please give me ONE Scripture where it states I am to live by Jewish law. I am to live by faith, not law.
Matthew
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Jeanne, I am so thrilled you looked into Weston A Price! I had another health breakthrough just yesterday, implementing the principles he and Sally Fallon set forth, and I continue to be more and more convinced that Food Cures!
Now, sorry everyone else for the "keeper of the pantry" sidetrack. We mighty women of God must be concerned with many things.
Lots of good feedback here, everyone, and I truly appreciate it.
Liberty is the issue, and I'm thinking that God gave us such a great example with the Exodus of Israel: we are set free from something (sin and slavery to false gods) TO something (life and worship of the true God). It seems that McLaren (and I apologize sincerely if he ends up seeing me slamming him anywhere) is finding the desert of Arabia a sticking place. "We don't know, we don't understand. We know we aren't in Egypt, and we don't want to go back, but we don't know how to get into Canaan". They seem stuck between giving up the rituals of Egypt and embracing the Law of the Lord. It's really not that tricky - 10 commandments for the community, 7 commands for the believer and (clap-clap) Done!
I read something by one of his associates that indicated that it's pretty hilarious to them how much venom and excitement they generate -- they are just a few aging baby boomers trying to figure out where we went wrong. I pray that they will join the aging baby boomers HERE in jumping into the New Testament model with both feet and enjoy!
Blessings, Laurie Ann Enjoying Sabbath rest, family worship and elder edification in Foyil, OK
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Okay ladies, I can't stand it any more. What is all of this about? I could Google all of this but I had rather you tell me what all of this Weston A Price/Sally Fallon topic means to you. I used to be quite fat (almost 300 pounds). I lost the weight back in 1988 and have kept it off since.
I first dropped steadily to 180 and stopped there for quite some time, then I dropped down to 150 to 155. (the lowest weight I ever attained was 145) I then started a [military] workout of sorts and gained up to 175. I could run two miles, do push-ups, sit-ups, etc. After coming back from the Philippines in 1995, where I suffered from acute dysentery, I began lifting weights to rebuild my emaciated body. I got good results, and eventually regained my health. I reached 180 pounds, where I pretty much stay. I still carry some stomach issues from the Philippines, and I would be interested in what y`all have learned.
Matthew
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This is an incredible thing. Did you lose the weight simply by exercise? How did you get started?
Obesity is a difficult master to get free from. People who are extremely overweight tend to have related complications which make it painful, difficult, and sometimes impossible to exercise. Often they feel like social outcasts which tends to make them recede into the shadows. And, when you are lonely and inactive you tend to get bored which leads to more eating. It's a vicious cycle.
BTW, I have prepared a response to your Pharisee charges. I am proof-reading it and will post it when I am satisfied with it. Perhaps tonight.
LA, didn't we have a discussion about Price elsewhere? I cannot find it. Can you lead me to it? BTW, how do you folks search for things on the cafe? I am not having good success.
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I love it when I hear "Loose weight without diet or exercise!" I "tried everything." My parents were on Weight Watchers for years, and they watched their weight go down, and then back up ...over and over. Here is what finally did it for me.
The first incident happened when I went out in a boat with some friends of my brother's. They were not being cruel, but they asked me to sit in the front of the boat to counterbalance for the motor because the boat was unable to pick up speed. When I moved up front, the boat took off! Ouch!
The second thing that happened was my late grandmother, (who was not even close to slim by any definition I have ever used) started telling me I needed to loose weight. Double ouch!!
The next thing happened while I was in college. I am 41. This happened in 1987 or 88, I'm really not sure. An acquaintance I had known (when I was in high school) and I had a class together. In high school he was just an average Joe. I would have loved to have just been average, but I weighed around 220. Well, anyway he had doubled (it looked to me) his weight in college, and I had gotten fatter as well. As we sat there together in class one day I said, "Hey Mark, I bet you and I weight about the same. How much do you weigh?" Well, I don't remember the exact number he said, but it was only ten pounds more than I weighed at the time. Right then and there it hit me, "I look like he does!" Triple ouch!!!
The other thing that happened was an ongoing thing really. A good friend of mine (who I still keep in touch with [he has teenagers! Aargh!!!] I'm getting old) was really fit. You know the type, played sports, cut abs, the whole thing... Anyway, he and I would go out driving around together and hunt for our police friends using a scanner. He would get hungry, and we would stop at a drive through. He would order a big greasy hamburger, a huge mound of fries, and a soda (never a diet one either). And there I'd sit, with only a big DIET soda wondering where he was putting it all. What an insult!!!!
Then it hit me... It's all about calories in and calories out! I wanted to be a cop, and I knew I would never be able to chase anyone anywhere in my current condition. So I just started eating one low calorie meal a day. My eating habits were so bad, I had to do this. I was used to eating more in one meal than most people eat in one day!
As I stated before, I hit 180 (without doing any exercise), then I just stopped. I actually thought I could loose no more weight. Then I decided to try exercise. I knew I needed something I could do inside, and something that didn't require much room. I decided on jumping-jacks. I got to where I could do 1000. I would do 600, and then stop for a minute or two's rest, and then do 400. I now know the science behind what I was doing, but back then all I knew was your legs have the biggest muscles, and moving muscle burns fat. With Jumping-jacks alone, I lost down to 145.
As time went on, and I got closer to finishing my degree, I knew I needed to get in better all around shape. The police PT is similar to the Army PT, so I started running, doing pull-ups, push-ups, sit-ups and the like. I gained up to 170 and stayed there for years.
When I came back from the Philippines, I had been so sick there was nothing much left of me. A good friend of mine (who was a body builder) got me into body building and lifting with the correct form etc. I got him into police work. It was funny, because we would put all of these weights on, and he would lift. Then we would take them all off, and I would do my sets. He was always kind and patient with me, and I liked what I started seeing and feeling. I started getting really strong.
When I moved away, and he changed jobs to become a State Trooper, I continued working out like he had taught me. I grew to love working out because I could eat so much more! (I still have the stomach of a fat man, my current recored for eating pizza is 42 slices at a buffet.)
At one point I was lifting legs starting with 800 pounds (on the leg press) and lifting ten sets twice. Then I would superset all the way down to 200 pounds. That was the start of my leg day.
I haven't been in the gym in about three years, but I have weights here. I also bike, swim, and stair climb. I also have a three year old to chase after any time I want, and that helps too! I still eat anything I want, (I eat fruit, but I never eat vegetables) then I just make sure and burn it off.
The last time I went to the doctor and had a full work-up, I asked him what I could do better (we worked out at the same gym). He said, "Shut up and go home, you're in better shape than I am." Well, as unusual at it may sound, that's my story!
Matthew
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"Nutrition and Physical Degeneration" by Weston A. Price and Nourishing Traditions by Sally Fallon are two tomes worth their weight in Gold (both are available through standard booksellers or at the website below). Price traveled the world, as a dentist, studying what people ate and the impact on their jaws, teeth and bodies, particularly peoples that were transitioning from a "primitive, traditional diet" to a "modern, processed diet". He witnessed first hand the steep rise in health problems we would have as people ate more and more processed food, and he was all too right. In places where the change was sudden, the health changes were remarkable. Here, it happened so gradually we were like the frog in the kettle. Did you know 60% of children are now having a "chronic medical condition". And every time the AMA or USDA recommends a new diet change, it gets WORSE not BETTER. What do they know!?!
Fallon then created a cookbook, based on what "healthy peoples" eat. For example, primitive diets all call for some kind of fermented food, such as sauerkraut, kimchee, pickles. These are essential to the body, but are not available in our diet. (Cain's pickles are not fermented, they are vinegared which is not the same thing). But how many of you know how to make or even eat such things?
I'm part of a whole community implementing these ideas, and EVERYONE has had radical health change, including healing of chronic infections, eyesight, asthma and cancer. I'm sold!
One of the most surprising principles is that veganism or strict vegetarianism improves short term, but a killer long term.
There are Weston A. Price foundation meetings around the country, and the one I've attended is full of former vegans and vegetarians whose health collapsed after several years of "eating right" according to what Sally Fallon calls the "Diet Dictocrats". (Include myself, because although I never fully went to vegetarianism, I did implement the ideas and got sicker instead of better.)
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As I see it, Jeanne, while the 10 commandments were for everyone individually, it was the community who was supposed to "police" them. An individual isn't supposed to kill a murderer, the community together was to hold court and judge people. On the other hand, the Commands of Christ (There are many, but all more or less fall under the 7 categories I posted at the above spot) are more subjective, and require continual growth. "Love" is something we can continually grow in. Prayer is something that we do more and more of.
One of the most striking things about the 10 commandments is how totally universal they are. Every culture and religion pretty much agrees on them. We want to be exempt ourselves, of course! but everyone pretty much can agree that WE don't want to be murdered, betrayed by our spouse, stolen from, lied to, dissed by our kids or have someone else get the credit for what we did!
God made it SO easy to understand through the 10 commandments. Then, Jesus, made it easier to accomplish by his Spirit and Commands of Love.
I really think simple church will really explode when we bring it down to these elements! "The Kingdom of God is: DON'T do horrible stuff to each other and DO bless one another! And Worship God in Spirit and in Truth!"
Blessings, Laurie Ann
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jqlogan, you can just google some key words and add "housechurch.org" and you'll get hits that happened here.
Sorry for overposting, everyone, but I wanted to break up the answers to various people's questions directed to me. It's really just one long post with color coding
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Thank ou Laurie Ann for directing me back to the post on the 7 commands of Christ! It continually blows my mind how we as a house church can be feeling led in an area (we have discussed a statement of faith, but didn't feel God leading us to put one together), and then see how God is leading others in a similar way! I printed out your list of the 7 commands and plan on bringing it up with our group and studying it ourselves.
About Weston A Price- google it Mathew- or maybe LA can give you the website. Basicaly, he studied the diets of tribal people groups from around the world and contrasted these with the modern western diet. He of course also looked at the health resulting from these diets. Most of his conclusions were what I expected, but of course didn't want to face . (processed foods- especially white flour and white sugar products are not good for us, etc...). But I did learn a couple things that I didn't expect- mainly the high percentage of saturated fats and high enzyme foods in traditional diets. I have increased these in my diet and decreased the processed foods and am begining to see some results with some cronic health problems I have had for years (headaches, allergies, exema, and digestive issues). And, yes- congrats on the weight loss!!!
(Sorry, Jeanne. I didn't intend to step on your post. I posted just moments after you did and now my post tops yours. If I could delete this I would but I haven't figured out how. All I wanted to say was thanks to LA. Could've used PM.)
LA, thanks! Yes, I like your color coded post. I really do! It makes such good sense.
I know a Duke professor. He teaches biochemistry. He is a great believer in all of this. He and his wife came down for Christmas, two years ago. He did all of the cooking. This was the first Christmas EVER I ate all I wanted, and lost weight. (His diet is very high fiber.) I normally enjoy packing on a few extra pounds around Thanksgiving and Christmas (keeps me warmer).
The truth is, I almost died in the Philippines. My stomach has never been right since. The very thing that helps most peoples body work properly (a high fiber diet) is an intolerable diet to me. Everyone needs a hobby, but living in the bathroom is not one I want. I have spoken to my friend about this and we have tried different things, and there has yet to be a solution.
The second truth is, I would never recommend loosing weight the way I did it. (I'm sure you'll be glad to hear that jqlogan ) Although being fit is much better than being fat, the way I got there (and stay there) was [and is] quite unorthodox. (I had very limited knowledge to do what I did, I just hit on something that worked for me.) Also my distinct health issues (from getting dysentery) not only allow me to eat processed foods, but encourage me to do so.
According to my friend, there are two other schools of thought that apply to this whole topic as well. The first is the school of thought that says that you can eat whatever you want, just so you are active and burn it off. These developing countries (ie the Philippines) also have this in common. Many people there work very hard and have a very active lifestyle in these countries.
The second school of thought comes from something my friend is world famous for. (His team just figured out what the appendix is for.) This school of thought basically says that we are too clean of a nation! I know this sounds nuts, but in the past we were born in a field and raised (for the most) part in dirt and filth. Now days we are born in a germ free environment, smell nice all day, and our immune system is never [formed] equipped to deal with with common germs.
When our daughter was born, my friend gave me this advice; "Keep her away from sick children, and sick adults." He then went on to explain his work, and I then went on to let our daughter play in [read eat] dirt, lick cats and kiss dogs. She loves going outside and getting dirty, and she is never sick! One time a little boy with a runny nose kissed her on the mouth before I could stop him. Her nose ran for a day, and then her immune system kicked it. The child that kissed her was sick for another week.
The fact is, I have just been sick for a week. I got sick interacting with the same children she was playing with. I also stay home with her, and she still hasn't so much as gotten a runny nose. There is much out there on a mother's breast milk being important for a child's immune system, but very little on "God mad dirt, and dirt is wonderful!" The information is coming though...
Here is what my friend has been doing in a nutshell. He catches wild rats, (they call him "the rat man") and introduces a allergen into their immune system. Nothing much happens. He then takes a lab rat (raised in a pure environment like us) the same allergen is introduced ...and their immune system goes nuts trying to deal with it! The solution? Let there be filth!!!
Oh, one more thing. It's kinda too late for us. Our immune system is built up when we are children. I'm stuck with a pretty wimpy immune system because my mom was a RN and had a BSN. Everything was always VERY clean!
The very thing we think is good, is killing us. I changed that for my daughter, and she is wonderful testimony to the fact that getting dirty can not only be fun, but healthy too!
Matthew
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Let's see, Laurie Ann ...a proverbs 31 "keeper at home" woman, and a kefir milk smuggler to boot! I'm fascinated. Don't get me wrong, I don't think there is anything wrong with "take[ing] a little wine for the sake of your [or my] stomach", but I can't stand the taste of alcohol ...in any form! Can you tell me what kefir would do to help me? I looked on the sight, and didn't find a "benefits" topic. Did I just miss it?
I am very interested in this. Everything works for a while, then things just go back to the way they were. I tried medicines, and I've tried natural cures. Nothing works long term. Whatever I got over there is still in me I guess.
Matthew
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Kefir doesn't taste like alcohol, unless you let it go too long. It's benefits are rather like yogurt, only more so, and many people who can't digest yogurt can use kefir. Also, it is much easier to culture - it cures in room temperature, and needs no preparation.
Kefir is being used by many people who have severely compromised immune systems, such as people with AIDS. People with horrible problems like IBS often find relief long term.
The biggest benefit is that it makes dairy nutrition available to many who otherwise can't digest it ( although raw dairy is often digestible too, just rather hard to obtain). Raw milk has more nutrition than any other food, with the possible exception of raw eggs, so it just gives a huge boost to people who have trouble meeting their nutritional needs any other way.
Finally, in biblical terms, God recommends "milk and honey" and we are finding that Raw Milk and Raw Honey really do give long-term benefits.
I know what you mean about many changes giving an initial boost only to peter out. "Been there, done that, got the t-shirt!"
Doing "Nourishing Traditions" has continued to give dramatic improvements to my health for 4 years, with tangible changes even, as I said earlier, right now.
Will pray for you to have the breakthrough you need to forget the parasites from Philippines and only remember the wonderful people you undoubtedly met there! Filipinos are some of our favorite people! (I'm presuming you have done parasite cleanses of some sort as you've tried to fight it?)
Blessings, Laurie Ann
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quote:Originally posted by Laurie Ann: I know what you mean about many changes giving an initial boost only to peter out. "Been there, done that, got the t-shirt!" *snip* (I'm presuming you have done parasite cleanses of some sort as you've tried to fight it?)
That's funny! I never heard the "got the t-shirt" part. There was this stuff I took over a ten day peroid that made my mouth "taste like metal." I was warned. I'm truly willing to try anything!!! I love yogurt. I tried it too, and it too helped for a while (about five days). So the only question is, what do I do next to try this kefir milk?
Matthew
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I'll check in with the community and see who has extra culture grains. They are free, so it's no problem for me to send them to you and let you give it a try.
Also, if you haven't, try to find the best possible source of milk. Goat milk is best, raw is best, but the stuff sold in stores can work. You can look for alternatives at realmilk.com
Laurie Ann
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Has anyone ever heard of too much protein causing kidney failure? I have a small dog who is going on 18 years old. But over 2 years ago the vet said her kidneys were shutting down and that it was caused by too much protein in her diet. All she really ate was dog food. But I guess we didn't switch her to adult dog food as she got older. But she seemed so healthy if not a little fat.
The vet felt she would be gone in less than six months. He gave us prescription dog food to help her but the dog wouldn't eat it. The hard stuff was too big and hard and her teeth were not so good. The soft stuff smelled terrible and I think she agreed. Anyway, my wife and I started to feed her soy products instead with vegetables mashed up.
Well, after more than six months she was still alive so we had her blood retested and the results were no worse with some small improvements. Now, after a long time she is eating some chicken and gets beef once in a while mixed with rice. Mom also spoils her with Mickey Dee's once in a great while. Double cheeze burger for $1. Today she ate soy with squash but she will have chicken for dinner.
In a few months she will be 18 years old and she still seems to be doing about the same. The vet now calls her the energizer.
Have you ever heard of anything like this--high protein diets attributing to kidney failure?
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I had heard the same thing as you, jqlogan. Looking it up for myself, I found three things: 1.) Kidney disease causes a high amount protein to dump into the urinary tract. 2.) A low protein diet can help (may even reverse) preexisting kidney disease. 3.) A high protein diet does not cause kidney disease (what I was told as well).
Oh, one more thing. I got on the Adkins diet once, and loved it! However, it made me jittery and one of my kidneys started killing me!!! I had to get off of the diet. Our family has a history of kidney disease on my mom's side, so it was not worth the risk.
Just what I found... and what I experienced. Matthew
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