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Welcome to our circle Agnus. You said to be a happy convert to catholicism. Does this mean the Roman one, the Ukrainian one the catholic independent movement or the Celtic one. These are some of the various names that I've heard in the past, which relate to catholicism. Then also, each time I went for a service in a traditional institution, the creed says in most of them, "one, catholic, apostolic church". So when you say that you have no interest in joining a house church, does this mean that catholicism does not reach to your living quaters? Since love is called for in action and in truth by the Lord, how can we love you with any action and truth from this Internet venue, where we learn to communicate by faith with one another? It might also be helpful to know what you converted from? Was it from another Christian denomination or from atheism or from Islam? How do we thank God for His work in you and how do we open up to your work in Him? Please to meet you; now let's get to know you.
-------------------- ...all blessings be with us all... Benoit Couture
When I say I'm Catholic I mean Catholic as in any Catholic Church that recognizes the authority of the Holy See in Rome. That would include the Eastern Orthodox Churches which practice the Byzantine rites as well as the Latin rite, Roman Catholic Church. I practice the Latin rite, what most would call the Roman Catholic Church. I intentionaly don't identify myself as a Roman Catholic because: a.) it would be a slight to the Orthodox Churches who have suffered terribly in the past century and b.)the term Roman Catholic was originaly a derogarory term used by Protestants. So, for our purposes let it suffice to say I'm Catholic.
The little 'c' catholic that you read in the creed refers to the universal church. Catholic is derived from the greek word for universal. God has a universal heart: One that is inclusive and all-encompassing.
You asked:
So when you say that you have no interest in joining a house church, does this mean that catholicism does not reach to your living quaters?
No, when I say I have no interest in joining a house church I mean the denomination house church. The house church that teaches house church doctrine and sells house church books and meets in houses on Sunday instead of going to to a church.
You asked:
Since love is called for in action and in truth by the Lord, how can we love you with any action and truth from this Internet venue, where we learn to communicate by faith with one another?
Well....you could quit calling the IC the Whore of Babylon, etc. etc. etc.
You also asked:
It might also be helpful to know what you converted from?
Nothing. Why?
You also asked:
How do we thank God for His work in you and how do we open up to your work in Him?
You can join me in thanking Him for the gift of the Catholic faith and if your'e really sincere in opening yourself up to my work in Him, convert to Catholicism.
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Thanks for answering. I had never heard of the term Holy See of Rome. I was born and raised in the Roman organisation, in Québec Canada. The ratio of Catholics was higher than Rome itself when I was born. I was young when it became very obvious to me that Rome does not have any more influence for the Kingdom of God in the universe than anywhere else on earth, where God is hosted as He pleases. Later on in life, all my perceptions got re-enforced over and over with meeting people who, for instance, had been ex-communicated for having a bible in their house. It was a dead sin until 1960 for simple peasants to have a bible, in Québec anyway. Others who could not pay their tidings and would find themselves stripped of the only food they had to survive the winter, having to live off charity. I spent 2 years, hitch hicking across the whole province, spreading the gospel. I've come across horrifying stories such as those enough throughout the province to know that I was not facing the exception but the general rule of infallability imposed with a perfected alliance of ignorance and indifference, governing with the arrogance of military might if need be. As I got to know how much God knows and loves me, I came to know that all His children are priests, prophets and embassadors of God on earth. I came to know that the only structure that was left by Jesus, is His living body, from which we are given into our heart and our spirit, the reality of His flesh and of His blood, anywhere, anytime, all the time because eternal life is what He gives us, now. When you ask "why" to my question "what did you convert from?" I answer that in your next question when I go on wanting to know how to thank God for His work in you. What is your witness of His work in you. I ask because it is by the blood of the Lamb and by our testimony that we get to be overcomers. So by sharing Who, how and what Christ-Jesus is all about personaly, we receive the nutrients of praise and thanks giving and worship. You called House Church a denomination. The Church is not a place but a people with whom God dwells. The Church exists as a result of those who are born of God, not the other way around. Therefore, it is not WHERE one goes but rather WHO one is amongst brethren and who the brethren are along with the One, no matter where. The earth's population is divided in two entities; one is the world the other is the Church. The world is everywhere that humans are and the Church is limited to where God is hosted to dwell in and amongst people; in the world but not of the world as Jesus prays in John 17.
You end with: "if your'e really sincere in opening yourself up to my work in Him, convert to Catholicism." I am universal without the deceit of a tag that has only proved itself to be what you dont want to hear us say. When you say: "you could quit calling the IC the Whore of Babylon, etc. etc. etc." If we were to please you, then yes, but if we are to please the One Who tells us to shout on rooftops what is hidden, then we must go on with the word of God. The following verse of Rev 17, 9 has been used extensively to point out to Rome as the Babylon because, among many other evidences, it is said that Rome is built on the 7 mountains spoken of: “Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits." From Wikipedia: ""Babylon" is possibly used to refer to Rome. This is bolstered by the remark in Rev. 17:9 that she sits on "seven mountains", which could be the proverbial seven hills of Rome. "Rome" would therefore be the 'new Babylon' and all of the symbolism characterizing Babylon as a wanton "whore", would be transferable to Rome, according to this view." For more from wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whore_of_Babylon
The Lord looks after His flock and does not need the interference of a structure that came about as a result of a falling empire and which went on accomodating itself by manufacturing a cult made of the world's empire structure and of the Old Testament's priesthood, at the expense of poverty, vulnarability and weaknesses of humanity. That structure closes the door to the simplicity of our devotion to Christ-Jesus, as the Lord and the Head of all in all. That simplicity is what keeps us from the deceit of God's enemy. The Roman structure was perfected by Babylon and has endured ever since, always re-inventing itself with the newest conquering force. It is known as the pyramid of power and seeks to control all human activities and the avenues of demand and supply that are called market forces or economies. History and Scriptures agree to say that it is from Ceasar that Roman Catholiciam exists, not from God. Even the Orthodox whom you cherrish as supporters, do not recognise the papacy.
I realise now that I made a mistake in my question by asking "...how do we open up to your work in Him?" His work in us, is what brings us to practice our own priesthood to Him, our own citizenship into His nation of prophets as well as our personal and communal functions of embassador of His word of reconciliation in the world. The papacy and the whole structure and teachings of Roman catholicism do not allow for any of God's reality in the midst of humanity in the way that He means to. It is in spite of the Roman structure when someone in its midst gets to know God, not because of it. So if your want to commune amongst people who are of the one universal faith of the Christ-Jesus, I know that His love in us all welcomes you whole heartedly, but forget Rome's monopoly while your are here, as it does not fit with the reality of the Christ of God, according to Scriptures and history.
-------------------- ...all blessings be with us all... Benoit Couture
Thank you for sharing your experiences with the Catholic Church with me. My experience has been much different.
I am curious to why you are so interested to hear about "works". I don't really want to boast. So, I'll just keep my "works" to myself.
When I said you could quit calling the IC the Whore of Babylon I wasn't just refering to the just the Roman Catholic Church I was refering to what I believe HCers are refering to when you say IC: all institutional churches. This is the first time I've heard an HCer single out the Roman Catholic Church as the Whore of Babylon. Now I'm wondering, is the Whore of Babylon moniker reserved only for Roman Catholicism or does it include the institutional Protestant churches as well?
I'm familiar with the misinterpretations of the Book of Revelation and why some Protestants and HCer's (or is it all HCers?) mistakenly think that the Whore of Babylon. I'm suprised that you would use Wikipedia as reference material. Is that an HC approved website? Do you base a lot of your faith on what you read in wikipedia? Personally, I don't look to wikipedia as a source of Truth. Wikipedia sounds too much like wicca to me, although I'm pretty sure there is no connection. If you would like the correct interpretations of those scriptures I will be happpy to furnish you some good orthodox links.
Don't get me wrong. I want you to spread your Whore of Babylon message. By all means proclaim it from the rooftops if that is really what you claim to be the Truth. Let's get it out in the open.
Again, thank you for your comments on my faith. It's nice to know where you are coming from.
Thank you for your understanding. You say to be curious as to why I am "so interested to hear about "works". I was and I am talking of God's works in your life. We've got nothing to boast about but we have a responsibility to bear witness of the works of God. Whereas our works, when of God, are simply the ones prepared by Him for us to execute. Boasting is not possible in spiritual living, simply praise, thanksgiving and worship.
Lord, I pray for your wisdom in me to be powerful from your love in us all. Give us discernment to edify one another and may all who read us to be blessed and strengthened in You. Bless Your Bride Dear Lord, by entering our reality with Your's, and carry us all who are Your's, beyond all of our fears and confusion so that Your glory may come fully alive for the world to know that we are Your's and that You are here and now, available to all of mankind to be blessed by You...in the name of Your Son our Brother do I pray...amen to Your Yes in us all...
-------------------- ...all blessings be with us all... Benoit Couture
What has the Lord worked in my life? Well, for beginners, He brought me home to the One True Church. What more can I say?
If you read my post correctly you wouldn’t be baffled.
I said:
“This is the first time I've heard an HCer single out the Roman Catholic Church as the Whore of Babylon.”
This isn’t the first time I’ve heard the allegation that the Roman Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon; it’s the first time someone representing the denomination I know as House Church has said that. What I’ve gleaned from the HC websites I’ve visited (including this forum) all Institutional Churches are the Whore of Babylon. The RCC being the Whore of Babylon is not a new idea for me it’s just that you have the distinction of being the first person I know of from House Church who has singled out the Roman Catholic Church as the Whore of Babylon. I hope that clears up your befuddlement.
Now what exactlyis the official House Church teaching? Which churches or denominations exactly are the Whore of Babylon?
That was a nice story about the popes’ hat. If I were privileged with the knowledge of who the anti-christ was I think I’d tell a few more people than two. That’s very nice of you to include me as one of them.
You’re mistaking me when I say ‘orthodox’. Orthodox with a capital ‘O’ refers to the Eastern/Orthodox Catholic Churches; orthodox with a little ‘o’ means doctrinally correct. Here’s the website I was referring to:
You know Adnus, I am getting a sense that you are very graceful of a person and I thank God for that.
Thank you for your kind comment. It does take grace to have a dialogue with someone who thinks your spiritual leader is the anti-christ and your Church is the Whore of Babylon. I guess you could consider that more evidence of God working in my life! Thanks be to God!
Peace be with you,
Agnus
-------------------- "In the evening of life, we will be judged on love alone." St. John of the Cross
You said: "...it’s the first time someone representing the denomination I know as House Church has said that..." House Church is not an institution nor a denomination. So how can anyone be a representant of what does not exist?
You said: "Now what exactlyis the official House Church teaching?" This question is another example that you do not realise that there cannot be any "official" part of what does not exist. The Church is not of the world, so dont try to put a legalistic twist to the truth of the Christ-Jesus.
You said: "It does take grace to have a dialogue with someone who thinks your spiritual leader is the anti-christ..." Here is what Jesus says about "spiritual leader(s)": But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren. Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ. Mt 23,8-10 And here is what Paul says about mediator: For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time, for which I was appointed a preacher and an apostle... 1Tim 2,5-6
So what these verses say and what your position of dogmas fabrication that you call your spiritual leader is all about are in conplete disagreement. The head of the Church is Jesus-Christ in whom God brings to dwell the fulness of all in all. No need of "a spiritual leader" and no need of chroning Old Testament priesthood to mediate anyone to God. Christ-Jesus does it all with the Holy Spirit and our heavenly Father. "The work of God is that you beleive in the one whom He has sent." Jn 6,29
You said at the beginning of your post: "He brought me home to the One True Church. What more can I say?" You can hang on to dogmas such as what this statement is about or you can seek God Himself until you receive eternal life, which removes the need for dogmas. Jesus says: "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent." Dogmas do not produce such knowledge, only the work of God Himself in each one child of His own making and in the assembling of us all.
Dear Father in heaven, do allow for Your saving revelation to reach all who seek You, so as to keep Your Son's Bride to be from all who claim to speak in Your name, but who insist on removing the supreme reality of Your personal Holiness and Authority from our's. Allows us all in Your family on earth, to be stregthened in the discipline of the Cross as You mean it to be applied by each one's own personal bloom of Your's and keep us in the simplicity of devotion to Your Christ, our brother,savior and Lord Jesus. I thank you for Agnus concern to reach out to us and indeed, I do pray that You guide Agnus to Your one true Church, the one where only Jesus is the head and leader and teacher, and may Your Kingdom rise within each one and amongst us all, whom You have predestined, whom You also called; whom You called to also be justified; and whom You justified, You also glorified. Rm 8, 30 ...amen to Your Yes in us, as we sit in Christ-Jesus in the heavenly places, that in the ages to come You might show the exceeding riches of Your grace in Your kindness toward us in Christ Jesus...Do guide and keep all of our praise and worship to Your complete satisfaction I pray and teach us how to recover by Your grace and truth, each time we sin...Thank You......
-------------------- ...all blessings be with us all... Benoit Couture
House Church sure looks like an institution/denomination to me and you sure sound like one of their represenetives. If your have doctrines, start up churches, House Church registry's etc., etc. etc. you are a denomination. Let's use your reference source. What does Wikepedia have to say about it?
So, since there is no 'official' house church teaching on the Whore of Babylon, what is your opinion: Is the Roman Catholic Church exclusively the Whore of Babylon or do you apply this to other churches as well. What do most HCers believe? You realize there isn't much consistency here. And, if there is no official teaching of House Church whats up with the House Church doctrines? I've read them, they actually exist. And why do some House Churches have their own creed while others use the Nicene Creed which is professed every Sunday in every Catholic Church around the world.
That was an interesting scripture you posted on spiritual leaders. The Holy Spririt immediately showed me where you contradict yourself in the scripture you referenced next.
for which I was appointed a preacher and an apostle... 1Tim 2,5-6
Appointed what?
Then the Holy Spirit reminded me of 1 Corinthians 12:28, Ephesians 4:11, Acts 6:1-6, 1 Timothy 5:17-22, 1 Timothy 3:1-7 and Titus 1:5-9.
And then the Holy Spirit recalled to mind how St. John refers to his children in his epistles. What kind of figure refers to their followers as 'children'?
No need for a spiritual leader, huh? Why does House Church have a Doctrine of Ordination if there is no need for a spiritual leader? Is there anyone home at House Church.
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Christ-Jesus does it all with the Holy Spirit and our heavenly Father. "The work of God is that you beleive in the one whom He has sent." Jn 6,29
In your very first post to me, you admitted to making a mistake. If you were truly being led by Jesus Christ with the Holy Spirit and our heavenly Father I don't think you would make a such a mistake. Now, if you are being led in scripture by the same premise, what's to say you're not making mistakes there? From my short experience with you, the Holy Spirit has revealed to me just a couple of the errors to which you prescribe. I'm starting to doubt your credibility, Benoit, you just don't add up.
quote:House Church sure looks like an institution/denomination to me and you sure sound like one of their represenetives. If your have doctrines, start up churches, House Church registry's etc., etc. etc. you are a denomination.
Doctrines are just teachings, thus inescapable. I've never seen any official "house church doctrines."
"Start up churches" is a phrase I've likewise never encountered. Probably not representative of what we're about.
The registry is just an informal tool to help folks find others. It is unofficial and voluntary and requires no adherence to specific beliefs nor implies any kind of membership. It's friendship-based for those who care to use it. No bishop or priest will call.
Most of us regard ourselves as non-denominational. Personally, I don't regard the institutional church as the Whore of Babylon though I am anti-denominational because there is really only one true church, regardless of where and how she meets.
I, btw, couldn't worship (or even visit) in one of the great cathedrals of yesteryear because they were built, in great part, with money unlawfully extracted from the poor. "As the donated coin rings - the soul from purgatory springs." Further, the catholic priesthood is a gross affront and an assualt upon the priesthood of all believers not to mention the finished work of Jesus, the true high priest who sat down in a grand demonstration that we need no other mediator.
Surely, there are wheat and tares which shall grow together until the end. Surely, there are tares in the hc, ic, and cc.
May God deliver all of us from evil. Pro Rege, David Anderson
As Paul says: "For what if some did not believe? Will their unbelief make the faithfulness of God without effect? Certainly not! Indeed, let God be true but every man a liar."
Thanks for helping me not to forget what God saves me from daily. Indeed, the nature I was born with from my parents is the nature which is trapped under the law of sin and death and liar is part of that. At 16 years old, the Lord sent an eternal life seed sower to our city. He planted and watered the seeds and God grew the seeds. That seed of eternal life did not take in me until 6 months later. God used a family gathering context to show me my need of Him. I called on Him and He answered. So yes the nature I am receiving from my mom and dad is nothing but lie and much worse, death itself. But I was saved from that nature and I now grow in the divine nature because the law of the spirit of life has set me free from the law of sin and death. So since then, 32 years ago, the Lord has guided me, spanked me, scourged me, allow me to end up in jail because I deserved it, not because I was a faithful servant. He has been teaching me, fed me. He keeps on supplying all of His Blood and Flesh that I can handle and disposes me to more and more of Him in me. He gives me discernment to recognise who I do and dont need as well as who do and doesn't need me. Do I still sin? Each breath that I take, I struggle to know. When I skip too many breaths without doing so, I am soon reminded of the consequenses of doing so. The point is that there is One, THE ONE, Who is my judge and He also is my Lawyer, my Savior, my Brother, my Creator and my Lord Who never leaves me, no matter what. If I'd go so far out of His Presence that I'd become a nuisance to the advancement of the Kingdom amongst His own and/or on earth, then I can rest assured that the Holy Spirit will then lead some of my brothers and/or sisters to pray for me, so that I die and my spirit gets to be saved such as what Paul describes hereafter: "In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, along with my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus."
So what I say to you, along with what the Body of Christ on earth, that is, anyone who actally knows the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit from within themselves and in their communion with brothers and sisters who became so not by flesh, nor blood nor the will of man, is: "May the the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. He who calls you is faithful, who also will do it...." 1Thess5,23-24 Once you enter such experience, then "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. Resist him, steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are experienced by your brotherhood in the world. But may the God of all grace, who called us to His eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after you have suffered a while, perfect, establish, strengthen, and settle you. To Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen."
Your visiting this website exists for that to happen to you and anyone else who visits because this site belongs to God, no matter whose name is registered legally. The idea of servant is not to climb on top of everyone and everything else to proclaim with a perculiar version of infallability that "I am the servant of all servants". On this site so far, I have been corrected, edified, nourrished, prayed for and with. In other words, spiritual reality is alive, well and growing here, not exclusively of course, for those who know God and who seek to deepen their relationship to Him and to one another. This is what you are welcome to. So please, lay off the denomination debate, the ritual and traditional rethorics and get on with sharing who you are in Christ and how does Christ call you to serve Him in your own priesthood and in your life's circumstances, how does he lead you to witness the Word of Reconciliation?
So far, in everything you've had to say, there has been mostly indications that you do not know God, and that you only know about God. You have offered nothing but the confrontational, inquisitive infallability of Rome who feels so superior that you can look down from such ivory tower and make things up as you go along, such as what you are doing of the House Church movement by calling it a denomination. Thank God that the house church is a movement and that only the Holy Spirit has a handle on it. That is what keeps us from the wolves desguised in sheep. Your writing comes across as if being led from Rome deprives you of who God made you as an individual person and all you can do is represent a cause that goes on since its very beginnings with carnal offensive. You sound like someone who is burried in the makings of ritual and traditions which remove any access to love from a pure heart, to a good conscience, and the sincere faith, which Paul tells us that there is only one such faith. You can go on with your attack on credibility and whatever else suits you as it tells us who you are. Whereas for me I find comfort in the fact that I do not preach myself but the Lord Jesus-Christ and Him crucified. I live on to grow in the daily power of the Cross, which is FOR THOSE WHO ARE BEING SAVED. So I pray that God removes you from the idolatry of rituals and traditions that are keeping you deceived in your own understanding, and that He teaches you the simple way of the Cross, daily. Dear Lord, keep us all in your organic experience of spiritual unity by Your glory and with the daily discipline that releases the power of Your death on the Cross and of Your resurrection into our souls and into our bodies from Your abiding in our hearts and in our spirits with the gift of eternal life and give us the joy of witnessing Your tramsforming touch upon Agnus...Yes to Your Amen in us...
-------------------- ...all blessings be with us all... Benoit Couture
Found another article. Perhaps you should put an ad in the newspaper if yelling from the rooftops isn’t working for you.
WHO IS 666 THIS WEEK?
Merced is in the Central Valley of California on Highway 99. A mainly agricultural community, it has 67,500 residents and some day will have a campus of the University of California. In the meantime, the town rarely rises into anyone's consciousness.
But recently its newspaper, the "Merced Sun-Star," brought attention to the town in a way that many residents (certainly the Catholics and no doubt many others) found unsavory. The paper printed a full-page, color advertisement with the headline: "Earth's Final Warning: What is the Mark of the Beast?"
The ad was placed by the International Seventh-Day Adventist Fellowship, headquartered in Englewood, Tennessee. If you know about the Seventh-Day Adventist church, you know that it traditionally has been strongly anti-Catholic, and anti-Catholicism was precisely what this full-page ad promoted. There was nothing subtle about it.
Half way through the very lengthy text, the ad identified the beast of Revelation as the Pope. "The title of the Pope reads: 'Vicarius Filii Dei,' that is, 'In place of the Son of God.'"
Well, two mistakes here. "Vicarius Filii Dei" is not a title of the Pope. The proper title is "Vicarius Christi." And "Vicarius Filii Dei" does not mean "In place of the Son of God" but "Vicar [Representative] of the Son of God." The translation given in the ad suggests that the Pope shoves aside the Son of God and takes over his place.
In fact, the ad claims that this incorrect title means that the Pope is calling himself God. Even if this were a title of the Pope, that would not be its import, and the proper title, "Vicarius Christi" ("Vicar [Representative] of Christ") is even further removed from such a misconstrual.
Just in case the reader does not find the bogus title sufficiently alarming, the ad goes on to note that the numerical value of the letters in "Vicarius Filii Dei" add up to 666, the number of the Beast. Quite so, but note that the title "Vicarius Christi" does not add up to 666. The Adventists turned to a similar-sounding title because they needed the right tally. It would do them no good to use a real Latin title for the Pope, if that title adds up only to 214, which is the case with "Vicarius Christi."
But that's not all, folks! The ad provides four other numerical proofs of the Pope's "Beastliness." The phrases "The Latin Kingdom," "Italian Church," "Latin Speaking Man," and "Roman Kingdom" all add up to 666, it is claimed, if one uses the values of the letters in the Hebrew or Greek alphabets.
Aha! That proves it. We all know that if someone says, "Latin Speaking Man," the phrase must mean the Pope, since no one else in today's world knows how to speak Latin.
And "Roman Kingdom" or "Latin Kingdom"? Don't think they mean the Roman Empire or pre-imperial Rome. Not a chance. They too, quite obviously, must mean the Pope, even though the Pope is a person and not a kingdom.
And "Italian Church"? Again, that must mean the Pope. It certainly can't mean St. Mary Major or St. John Lateran. It must be a reference to the Pope, even though we normally don't think of the Pope as a building.
All this seems nearly irrefutable, but I espy a weakness. The composers of the ad left out an important numerical clue to the Beast's identity. The five phrases or titles given are not the only ones that add up to 666. There is one more that might be considered.
You can perform the tally yourself, keeping in mind that in Roman numerals D=500, L=50, U=5, W=U+U=10, and I=1. You will arrive at 666, by summing the letters in the name Ellen Gould White.
And who was Ellen Gould White? Why, she was the founder of the Seventh-Day Adventist church, of course!
(Footnote: The pastor of one of the Catholic parishes in Merced encouraged his congregants to write to the "Merced Sun-Star," and many did. The paper printed an apology.)
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Dear Agnus, I made it clear that the numbers and the story had come to me when I was 20 years old, 28 yeard ago and that I do not make use of it. In my experience, 666, the Beast, the false prophet, the anti-Christ...all of it add up to the flesh, the world and Satan. I do not need to fight any of it because it is already defeated. My job, is to keep the victorious position growing in me, in which the Father has put me, together with all the other saints, when He has seated me in Christ-Jesus in the the heveanly places and the job gets done by being affectionate toward the invisible not the visible, by moving on with the witness of Christ that God put in me and by resisting the devil. Along with the rest of the Church, the gates of hell cannot prevail against our movement, when we remain within the Body. The numbers to remain within the Body are as little as where two or three are gathered in the name of Jesus, there He is in our midst and/or as big as 200 years worth of God's work. Where and Who He is, there and who the Church is.
All of the negative that goes on, are only evidences that the Spirit of all prophecies, the witness of Jesus-Christ is all that matters and that my personal witness of such reality and His Blood are together, the only way that the reality of heaven materialises into our mortal existance. My life on earth is to be pro Kingdom and not to waiste away in cruesading againts what is against the Kingdom.
Dear Lord, keep us focus with Your eyes lenses I pray, so that the sacred fire of Your sacred heart shines forth with our eyes and throughout our lives personally and communally...Yes to Your Amen in us all who are Yours...
-------------------- ...all blessings be with us all... Benoit Couture
I made it clear that the numbers and the story had come to me when I was 20 years old, 28 yeard ago and that I do not make use of it.
Actually you didn't make it clear. This is what you said:
In 28 years of living outside of Québec, this is the second time that I share this bit of info. I do not make it a point to go against anything nor anyone, but when I have to resist, then I make use of what is at my disposal.
You said you will use what is at your disposal. Obviously, for the past 28 years this is a belief you have held and has been at your "disposal". In this case, what is at your disposal has been proven to be an outrageous anti-Catholic lie. So, again I have to ask, how many other lies do you have at your disposal? And what are you resisting with lies? The Truth?
Do you want to bear witness to what Christ is doing in my life? Your witnessing it. He's led me to a shadowy internet cafe to shine some light on the lies at the disposal of some guy name Benoit.
As I said, you are on a confrontational slant that comes from the flesh the world and Satan. So keep on showing us what you're made of and keep embracing all the religious idolatry that suits you in your insistance to feel good about what you do and who you are. Just dont go on insistintg to dragg me in it with you. None of what you say in your replies to me, have anything to do with where I come to you from and you are obviously not interested in the truth of God and my invitation to get away from your need to use ongoig unfounded accusations in your attack. So enjoy yourself at my expense all you want, God knows me. How about You?
Ps with love and truth: Your inability to make the difference between lies and your intepratation must be what keeps from knowing anything but idolatry, just like it is the case in most traditionalists I ever came across.
-------------------- ...all blessings be with us all... Benoit Couture
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We should shortly conclude the Catholic debate lest the thread outlive its usefullness. Please add your final remarks by the close of this weekend, i.e by tomorrow.
Agnus candidly made it known that he or she was a happy Catholic and had no desire to be in a house church.
There are other forums on the internet for those who care to endlessly pursue these arguments. The vast majority who participate in our Cafe have little appetite for such dialogue.
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