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Presidential lawyer Bill Bennett reminded us recently of the quaint, old saying: If you take the Kings's shilling - you must do the King's bidding.

He was making a reference to the fact that since Paula Jones (of AR) was receiving legal services from a charitable organization, that it was the taxpayers who were actually financing the Clinton investigations. He kept repeating this over and over in a nationally-televised broadcast. Somebody somewhere was taking a tax deduction, in other words, on the gifts to the Rutherford Institute.

It is the IRS that now defines in America things like a church, a ministry, and an ordination. This is already coming back to bite us. This tax-exempt status has become the main mechanism for the social engineers as formerly-deviant lifestyles are normalized.

Even 'church' schools such as Emory University of Atlanta have adopted no-discrimination policies in faculty hiring.

Be careful where you send your money. (I don't have any myself, but I am rich.)

David Anderson


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Our church found a way to open a bank account without incorporating. We simply applied for a taxpayer ID # (TIN) as a church. There was no paperwork to fill out other than our treasurer signing his name as the executor on the TIN application. VOILA! We could open a checking account without having to report the interest to the IRS. We don't own any property, and we aren't registered with the state we live in. We can't issue tax-exempt receipts, but we could hire staff if we wanted to (we don't). This is a possible compromise for home churches like ours that got too big (over 30 families!) to operate out of a shoebox or a coffee can.
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To Dan Buck
is the TIN the same as the FEIN number? How do I get it?
thank you,
Diane

free_brother
      oscoda,mi,usa


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We are to "render unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar's".

Church finances, tithes, and offerings are unto God. So it seems inappropiate to allow Ceasar (central banking system),(the FED)to have any control. When we seek a tax deduction many say we are just being wise stewards. However, I believe that many are like me, and have a self pride in how much we give. Over the years I have come to the conclussion that when I give, I must give to honor God. I must give annonamously, without a tax deduction, and with no record of the exact amount. After giving, I have no control over how it is used or misused. I must leave the control to Jesus, for I give to Him, not the church. I believe this giving in secret is what Jesus is refering to in Matthew 6.

To carry this further than the individual, this also applies to local churches.
Jesus did not maintain his ministry funds in a bank (yes they existed back then, see Luke 19:22-23). Jesus allowed his funds to be carried by Judas who apparently was not a good steward and "borrowed some". The issue for Jesus was not money and it still isn't. His focus was His father. What is our focus on when we spend our time keeping track of money, tax forms, legalities, and insurance.

Do we always seek recoginition as a REAL church by being tax exempt ?

Does a church need insurance ?

Should a church borrow from 'Ceasar'(the bank) ?

What is a church ?

Can a church really be unorganized, but have a Head ?

How have churches survived and even thrived under oppressive goverments ?

Would giving to God stop, if REAL churches were taxed ?

If all churches were taxed would it not be a herbicide, to weed out the tares ?

Dave A. (above) quoted well,
"Presidential lawyer Bill Bennett reminded us recently of the quaint, old saying: If you take the Kings's shilling - you must do the King's bidding."

How can the church only accept King Jesus's schilling ?

Has anyone been willing to give up what they know is right, to know Him and how He would have us handle this ?


lanthanw
      earth (temporarily)


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I've never met a Christian yet who tithed - at least not the way God said it. (Deut 14:22-29) Here's the high points...

For a whole year, you save up a tenth of everything you get.
If all you got is money, you buy WHATEVER food and drink you want.
(Including wine and "strong drink".)
You consume the food and drink.
You have a big PARTY to celebrate God's goodness.
You invite the poor and tell them why you're partying.
Every 3rd year, you skip the party and just give the tithe directly to the poor.


Do you know any Christians who practice the tithe?


lanthanw

"The truth that is suppressed by friends
is the readiest weapon of the enemy."
-- Robert Louis Stevenson



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DAN BUCK
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posted 11-30-2000 15:27
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Our church found a way to open a bank account without incorporating. We simply applied for a taxpayer ID # (TIN) as a church. There was no paperwork to fill out other than our treasurer signing his name as the executor on the TIN application. VOILA! We could open a checking account without having to report the interest to the IRS. We don't own any property, and we aren't registered with the state we live in. We can't issue tax-exempt receipts, but we could hire staff if we wanted to (we don't). This is a possible compromise for home churches like ours that got too big (over 30 families!) to operate out of a shoebox or a coffee can.


Dan you sure can issue tax exempt receipts. We have been doing this for years. We have not incorporated (Our church is not owned by the state as all Incorporated churches are.) You can legally give tax receipts under your EIN. Your EIN number identifies you as a church. Look at IRS code 508 for further details our just respond to this note.
Jesus Cares,
tom

peterkershaw
      Bristol, Virginia


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quote:
Originally posted by <tom>:
Dan you sure can issue tax exempt receipts. We have been doing this for years. We have not incorporated (Our church is not owned by the state as all Incorporated churches are.) You can legally give tax receipts under your EIN. Your EIN number identifies you as a church. Look at IRS code 508 for further details our just respond to this note.
tom [/QB]

Tom,

You've got the basic idea behind organizing and operating as a free-church. However, you're also making some legal errors. For example, while you recognize that incorporation is a huge problem for the church ("the corporation is a creature of the State"), you fail to recognize how obtaining a Tax Identification Number subordinates a church to IRS jurisdiction and control. It also converts a church into a "statutory employer" with all the various legal pitfalls associated thereto.

Church don't need and should not obtain an EIN. For more info see http://hushmoney.org/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=111

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Bruce Woodford
      Norwich, Ontario, Canada


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Why in the world would a church (belonging to Jesus Christ) have need of a bank account. A church need pay no salaries, need own, construct, or maintain no building. Individual saints can give where and when and to whom the Lord guides them. Why start a business when you meet as a church??

Furthermore, if believers are truly interested in being good stewards of the financial resources with which God has entrusted them, why even sign up to pay Income Tax in the first place when no law makes most people liable to file and pay such a tax?

I asked the authorities about my responsibilities under the law relative to Income Tax over 5 years ago. When they did not respond, I wrote and informed them I would no longer be filing and paying Income Tax and requested that no more Income Tax forms be sent to me.

The forms which had arrived every year for many "moons" stopped coming and we have not filed or paid income tax ever since.

The Lord Jesus instructed His disciples to pay the taxes that were demanded of them. I do the same. No believer can be held morally accountable for the wicked use of such tax revenue. But if I willingly and knowingly contribute a VOLUTARY TAX to a system which I know uses that revenue to fund wickedness, I must bear moral responsibility for doing so!

I am not willing to accept that responsibility and that is why I no longer volunteer!

Bruce

   

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