12 YEARS OF AGE ~ My Mother doesn't really know quite everything.
14 YEARS OF AGE ~ Naturally, Mother doesn't know that, either.
16 YEARS OF AGE ~ Mother? She's hopelessly old-fashioned.
18 YEARS OF AGE ~ That old woman? She's way out of date!
25 YEARS OF AGE ~ She might be smarter than we gave her credit for.
35 YEARS OF AGE ~ Before we decide, let's get Mom's opinion.
45 YEARS OF AGE ~ Wonder what Mom would have thought about it?
65 YEARS OF AGE ~ Wish I could talk it over with Mom.
sovgrace elder
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Sounds nice but please refer to scriptural support. Fathers are to lead their homes.
Happily not an elder
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Try Proverbs 31 for scriptural support. While the husband is in the city gate doing city business, the wife runs the house, buys property, etc. Sounds to me like there were defined roles, but not in the sense of the husband being "boss" and the wife the "servant", but rather they worked as equals, each doing what they were called to do in their roles.
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The relationship of the woman to the man has been a "HOT" topic for a number of years. I wish we more fully understood the truth of what God's purposes were for placing the woman under the leadership of the man. And, I wish we were more fully willing to do His will and didn't, rather, make this a point of controversy between the husband and wife.
But, if we think of this reasonably, we can understand that after sin there was a natural desire to do "one's own thing." So, from then on it would be difficult for two people to co-rule as did Adam and Eve in the very beginning. Now, their purposes may at times be at odds with each other. Therefore, the decision of only one of them would necessarily reign supreme and the other would be required to yield. This would be the only way of keeping peace in the family unit--if one yielded and the other led. This does not imply that the two cannot "rule" together and make joint decisions, or that the husband or wife was not to make any decisions for themselves. This only meant that in case of a disagreement, the one that God appointed to be the leader would have the final say. To facilitate the wife's cooperation the Lord instilled in her the desire to please her husband.
This is how I interpret the following verse based upon scripture in the NT about the relationship of the husband and wife being similar to that of Christ and the church. Christ represents the husband and the church the bride.
Genesis 3:16 The Lord said to the woman, "I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."
Sorry if this displeases anyone. It is not meant to be argumentative but is rather presented for contemplation. So that you might hear another perspective and thereby be enlightened and edified--hopefully, to grow in Christ.
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We either do, or do not, accept that the Bible is God's inspired Word. If we do, then we must listen in all humility to what it says. Not just on the issue of women in the church, but about anything. For if the Bible is God's letter to us, it would be impossible for us to say we love God, but when His Word tells us something we don't want to hear, we turn our back on Him.
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I would like to agree with what the person said in the last post. One thing we are going to have to realize as we search for the truth of the real church is that we must come to the conclusion that what the bible says, it says, it has to be that plain and simple. I do believe that Satan does not want us to look at it like that though. People can go around and say what they want to say and the bible says they will. It says they will turn to fables and start proclaiming what THEY want to hear and hence live they way they want to live. Concerning the issue of women and whether they can be pastors, I think I have read every thing I can possibly read under the sun. I heard people try to wiggle and wiggle and twist and turn to make it how they want it to be. Wait, does it work that way? Does it really work that way?
I believe it is possible to really find the answers to how the church really did function in the beginning. It has to be possible. After all instuctions were given to the apostles through the Holy Spirit about how the church was to function. So it is really just a matter of rediscovering them and then committing to that, willingly. Anything short of that is still being willingly decieved, which a lot of people are totally willing to be today. Are we like those people? No.
I believe it is just a matter of understanding things and then just looking at the bible. What does it really say? Well, we know that it said all the apostles that Jesus choose were men. We know that all the priests in the Old Testament were men. It also says in Acts 1:21 that the person that was to replace Judas had to be a man, he had to come from among the men. And if someone doesn't believe that, you need to go read it for yourself, because it is there. So it does appear that when the bible says that the bishops, deacons, and elders had to be "husbands", this is exactly what it meant. It is really just fairly simple. There is quite overwhelming evidence in the bible that God wanted and intended the men to continue on in the leadership in the New Testament as they had in the Old Testament with things pertaining to the temple. Our master, our Lord and King Himself chose 12 men Himself, certainly we can not argue with this? But I think people will continue too.
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