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Why be suprised? Halloween was originally an adult occult holiday called Samhain, the witches high cross-quarter sabat. Source for that tidbit, The Last Trumpet Newsletter for Nov. 2005. More information on the occult nature of popular holidays found at their web site under their tracts. WWW.lasttrumpetministries.org
The rise in popularity of this holiday just shows where folks heads are really at and it isn't on God.
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Thought I shared that but I share it again – allow me to air it out… The IC I went used to encourage Christian families to stay away from Halloween by preaching against its origin, handing out tracts, organizing family functions on that day at the church for the young and innocent. Last year, surprisingly, the congregations were encouraged to participate. At the church lobby “angel candies” were sold at 10/$1 which were made and contributed by some enthusiastic sister groups. The candy came in the shape of an angel with “Jesus loves you” written on the wings. No, not cherubim nor Seraphs but the cute little pagan cupids. In the sermon the preacher encouraged the congregations to buy and trick or treat the world to let them know how great Jesus love is. I called and emailed and did what I possibly could to get to talk to the preacher. I was showered with all the love of Jesus on my disgust. She was stunned and suffocated with my facts. She asked if I would discuss this in a meeting with the “Rev” and the elders. I said any time, my dear. I never heard from her regarding this matter again and that was the end of my relationship with that church. I came across her some time after and she invited me back for a revival meeting. I asked what revival? If there’s any consolation, I heard that they kept their mouth shut on Halloween at the church pulpit last Sunday. And yes, that church has employed the “Purpose driven church to hell” principle and the “Alpha Course to perish” mode from 2003 on. And yes, the same Baptist Church that joint WCC…
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Every year now Halloween is getting to be a bigger and bigger holiday. Of course the world loves that as it helps the economy when holidays are big sellers.
I hate those horror movies that come on TV for about a month and I'm so glad when that holiday is over with for the year.
I had to wonder just how in the world did our society get a holiday like this started and why in the world have us christians tolerated it!!!!
Of course I don't like the business of the Christmas holiday season either, I am so tired after it is over.
To even make the decision not to be involved in these holidays is meaningless because everywhere your kids go they see Christmas, Christmas, Christmas and Halloween stuff all over people's yards.
I don't know I'm just not all that wrapped up in whether I take my kids trick or treating or not, whether we celebrate Christmas or not. Some people on here seem to get really upset about it. The way I look at it is that it's truly a matter of your heart.
I didn't take my 9 year old trick or treating for 8 years. Then last year we went and this year too. Quite frankly I have more fun walking around with the families and kids on that night than what I've had in years. I don't feel like I'm doing anything wrong. Would it be my choice of entertainment? No, definitely not. Maybe next year I'll take the kids to a movie!!! But you know I haven't had any family for years or a church or a church family or hardly any fellowship. The world offers me more fellowship than christians do, sad to say. I'm tired of denying my kids fun and offered nothing in place for it from the christians at all. A person will die living like that. So I just tend to look at it like its just "pretend" and to me it's not sin. The bible says what is not of faith is sin. I don't dress up myself and wouldn't do that. That wouldn't even be any fun. But my husband did decide to dress up with this really awful looking mask. I suppose he can do what he wants too.
I didn't make the world how it is, God just put me here to be in the world not of it. He's also promised to keep me from the evil here.
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Sigh.... That's what I was saying on the other thread. Go back to the world and get some fun because the so-called Christian community inside and out has made us so sick and tired - if we lost focus on Jesus. I have been tempted, done worse, regretted and repented until the next temptation comes. Kim, whether you like to hear or not, Halloween and the world are not for us....remind me all the same, plesae.
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I see a lot of people on complaining of Christmas and Halloween and Easter. I personally consider that straining at a gnat while ignoring other very important problems in the church. You probably don't have a child, do you Chubbena. It is very easy to judge if you've never gone through it and I truly mean that. I'm not afraid to talk about this issue and most certainly am not afraid to say I let my 9 year old go up to a few people's door and get some candy like the rest of the children he knows.
The bible is plain. If something is sin to you then don't do it. To some people letting their child dress up in a little cute outfit is sin, to me it's not, sorry. I didn't feel any condemnation in letting my child go up to some houses and get some candy, so therefore according to God's word it wasn't sin for me.
I'm not in excess in this. I kept my child away from trick or treating until I could not anymore. You want to condemn me just go right on ahead. I personally get a little bit tired of hearing people talk about this issue myself. To me it's not that big of deal.
This year we have a home school group. Most mothers would not allow their younger children go trick or treating, yet 2 weeks after Halloween they now are having a "dress up" home school day. What is the big difference? I would like to ask? Aren't they giving in anyway to the pressures of the child doing even that?
You can look at my life and judge if you want too. Personally I think it's my life and my business. I don't see God striking me dead for doing this. I think people without kids need to keep quiet about this subject and let those who do have kids deal with this problem that the world, not me, has placed us all in.
I don't think letting your kids go up to someone's door is being in the world and of it. I think it's just parents trying to deal with a very trying issue.
I really would sooner not see my husband wear his mask but I really don't think that is my place to say anything about that to him.
So...sigh...we won't have to talk about this issue again until next year. I just get a little bit tired of hearing self righteous people talk about this issue when most of them probably don't even have children in the age group that involves trick or treating. It's easy to sit back and condemn others when you having no problems with Halloween in your family and you have no kids that want to go out and trick or treat with their other friends. Real easy to do that, alright. Be slow to speak, quick to listen, and so to wrath.
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Hi Kim, Many years ago when my child was about 3 years old, we stopped Christmas and Halloween and Easter. We got the biggest protest not from our child; but from the relatives and teachers.
We did not like Christmas for sometime before realizing the origins. It had gotten too big, too showy, too much emphasis on getting. Also realize that Christmas makes people worship a baby god. Our Lord and savior is not a baby anymore; but King reigning on the right hand of God now. That should be our emphasis. Also Halloween and Easter place emphasis on getting candy, etc.
Now there is nothing really wrong with kids getting a bit of candy now and then as a treat. However, the Halloween thing or the Harvest thing gives them too much at once. The phrase "trick or treet" doesn't enforce Christian values but the world's. The harvest thing looks like a Christianized version to me. We are not to mix paganism into Chrisitianity. Why do Christians need to have a copy of the world?
Then there was the threat of razors in the treets. Our local authorities said to x-ray the candy and did so at the local hospitals for free during Halloween. Personally, even if it was not tied to a witches sabat, the risk wasn't worth it. Wal-mart had plenty of candy to buy and save for later treets without having to put my child in danger.
Through the year my child did dress up as a clown or coyboy. What boy hasn't played dress up with a coyboy hat, dad's things or girl in mom's jewerly and stuff? We did not have a dress up party. He was just playing make believe. I'd help him come up with outfits to play in. Dad's white shirt to go with his little doctor bag, etc. That didn't last too long as he outgrew the desire to dress up and would rather play outside in the trees and woods, riding bikes, playing ball, etc. He soon put away childish things. Seems many adults in US still haven't done that with all the parties, etc.
If we compare how the early Americans had parties to those today, we could see the problem. Used to they would have barn raisings, quilting bees, canning parties, etc. They would get together and help each other get their big jobs done. Today all parties are about dressing up, showing off, getting something, selling something, etc. See the difference? Wouldn't a real harvest party involve work and then enjoying the bounty of that work? A bit of a treet would be a reward after such a gathering----not an entitlement for doing nothing as today's parties suggest.
I just saw a church that gathered building materials and donated the labor to do a project each month for an elderly person who couldn't do for themself. That is Christian love and a great way to get together. More groups should have these type things. Instead of Halloween and Christmas parties, they should meet for a project to help someone. What would happen to the youth of today if they were involved in such things? Why do Christians feel they've missed something if they don't have Halloween and Christmas? We have so much more; our reward is above.
BTW, I'm not judging you; just sharing my view as a mother. God knows the heart and will judge each of us.
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I have difficulty knowing what battles God would have me to fight at this point in my life. I don't want to strain at gnats, no. I am glad no single person has got to fight them all and appreciate those who go where I cannot.
Ultimately, the battle is Lord's; nevertheless, he gives us his holy armour and sends us into the fray.
Martin Luther was an imperfect man, I know, but he had a fine saying about fighting the battles which needed to be fought at a particular time. Anyone know how it was worded?
I see plenty of the entitlement mentality everywhere I look. Dad taught me that the world owed me nothing, much less a treat. He didn't do halloween and neither do we but the matter isn't near the top of my priority list.
Good to hear from you today, Faith. Blessings to all as the winter winds began to blow.
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When I was a kid I went trick or treating 3 nights in a row. I had a blast. I would dress up in my princess dress or like a pirate and go around our little town for 3, THREE, nights in a row. That was back in the days when trick or treating lasted 3 nights instead of the one like they do today for those who are not old enough to remember that. That's one thing my parents always allowed me to do was have fun. See my dad found it a hard doing what the so called "church" said he had to do, so he kind of just give up in life and became what everyone made him to feel like he was. And that was the black sheep in the family. Us kids were known as the "heathen" children of the town and my relatives always looked upon us as those "poor" children. But my mom and dad always let me do the fun things growing up every holiday and I absolutely loved it, very good memories for me now.
My dad didn't know it but he wasn't the black sheep at all, he really was a very normal person who couldn't handle what all the "so called church people" told him he had to do to be saved. IT LITERALLY WAS THE BIGGEST BLESSING IN MY LIFE TO HAVE HIM AS A DAD. It redirected my life away from the church and into a more non-conformists way of life. My dad died before he could learn the truth but the "church", I hadn't figured it out yet to tell him. But I will tell you that me and my dad sure did kick some butt with what little we knew. I still can remember coming out of a charasmatic groups and telling him "dad, I've found something, I really have, we've never been taught about this". And I know when he laid on his deathbed that he knew I had found something, I know he did. Because he was so kicked around in this life by "church" people and telling him he was never good enough. Or making him feel that he couldn't get into the baptismal tank that something was wrong with him, because the truth was something wasn't wrong with him but with THEM. I know that now.
I don't regret my days of being left to go trick or treating and I personally can't imagine what it would have felt like to be told I couldn't have gone. And I'm just being honest here. Of course all that is behind me now.
Those were and still are some of the most happiest moments of my life.
This "heathen" little girl. This "so called unchurched" little girl grew up to learn the real truth about the churches and why they make people, like my dad, feel they are nothings and worthless in this world.
Faith, to you I would say it is easy to make a 3 year old to stop all that stuff, he was still at the age he didn't know what you were making him do. Some of us don't have children that young.
I would seriously say this to you Faith, you need to be talking to your child and seriously because they may be harboring some feelings about not being allowed to do these things that you may not even know they have. I don't see anything wrong in not doing Halloween, Christmas, or Easter but if that is your choice then you also need to seriously be talking to your child about how that makes them feel. Because if you don't, they may very well grow up to have some resentment. Talking to them about it may help deal with some of that resentment.
I happen to celebrate christmas. I don't see anything wrong in it. Does the world go overboard, yeah. But that's not my fault, we don't go overboard with it. The last 2 years I let my 9 year old boy dress up and go to some houses and get some candy instead of going to the store and buying it for him. I guess we each raise our children the way we think best and what is good for them.
Certainly I didn't chose to have any of these holidays, the world did and I just live in it. If it was up to me I'd probably have a bunch of christian feasts like they did in the bible.
But what? They want to take away all my family, all my church, all my fellowship, every joy in this world and then expect me to live. I'm sorry I can't, I've tried living that way and you know what, you'll die if you have no joy.
I've learned for everything there is a season. And different times in life there are going to be different seasons. I've gone through years where I didn't have a TV and then I did have one again. I've gone through years I didn't take my kids trick or treating and then I let them go just a little. I've gone through times I wouldn't go to Chuck E. Cheese because they play rock music for kids and its a bad influence on them. And then I started going to Chuck E. Cheese again. Am I returning to my vomit? No, I don't think so at all. I'm going through "seasons". I'm learning. I'm not being proud anymore. I'm being knocked down by God and realizing I don't know everything, I'm being seasoned. I'm maturing, I'm unbecoming some young punk that you can't tell anything to. I'm growing up. I'm learning not to be jugdment with others and what they chose to do. I'm learning that today you may chose to live one way but 15 years down the road you may not live quite so like that. If you live long enough, I guarantee you will also learn these things too. I'm learning that this life and these times we are in are not easy times to live in. I've lived long enough to learn that 10 years from now I may do something that I wouldn't consider doing now. I really have learned that. And I've learned what kind of person I was, very jugdemental.
I've really learned for everything there is a season. I've learned that sometimes there is a need for someone to refrain from doing something for awhile. But it doesn't necessarily mean you WILL NEVER do it again in your life.
For the first 7 years of my son's life, I was in a season. No trick or treating. Now I am in another seaoson, this season is just a little teeny tiny bit of trick or treating and I don't feel condemned so therefore the bible says then it is not sin for me. Sorry for all you and what you think out there.
Perhaps you're young yet and alittle bit the way I use to be once. Thinking I'm God and it's my way or the highway. Not realizing that life lasts a very long time and it is quite possible that sometime you may find yourself someday doing something you don't do today. Kind of humbling, at least it was for me.
It seems we’ve had very different and yet in some ways the same experiences with the churches. We both have grown to dislike them. I grew up in a very liberal church. We had Christmas parties in the church basement. The church was decked out upstairs and down like the mall. We went trick or treating and for Unicef with the church. I have only one real memory of the church Christmas parties and that was when we all brought a gigt to put under the tree for a disadvantaged child.
What struck me, even as a child, was the fact that the poor kids sat on one side and we all sat on the other side. We didn’t talk to them or make friends with them. It was really a weird situation and I’m sure the kids on the other side felt it too. I also wondered why no one helped these people the rest of the year. Everyone was so excited to help for one day, but………….. Seemed very hypocritical to me.
Odd that you see the churches telling you not to party. I see most churches telling us to party as the world and ostracizing us for not going along with the crowd. We were considered the heathen because we wouldn’t celebrate Christmas. Funny that you think that I somehow have no joy because I don’t celebrate these things. I celebrate the Lord and his creation every day.
My good memories of childhood were not the Christmas trees, presents or Halloween costumes. I’m sure they were fun at the time; but left no lasting memories. What I do remember was the times spent with family even in the hot July sun picking blackberries, going to milk the cow with Grandma and watching the cat get squirted, trying to ride a huge work horse with my cousins, camping with all the aunts, uncles & cousins, walking with my dearest aunt who loved God’s world of nature and knew what every tree and plant was, listening to my dear mother sing joyously as she did her housework, learning to bake and sew under mom’s watchful eye, pj parties with friends, watching dad work on a car or building my tree house. My joy was not in the activity, but in the people.
Yes, it was easy for a 3 year old to give those things up. However, a three year old grows into a school age child before you know it. We did talk about why we didn’t do those things. He is grown now and still doesn’t care for the holiday hoopla. Although we both like the chocolate year round! No, I’m not young any more and I won’t begin those traditions again, not even for grandkids. I’ll do like mom did and celebrate my family all year as we spend time together. She was the only one who accepted our beliefs. We do at times have dinner with family on a holiday (only time everybody is off work ); but we forgo the worldly trimmings. (The rest of family do that stuff before we all get together at their own homes.) You see it is sort of hard to tell who is Christian and who is not when they all make a big fuss over the world’s celebrations. We can have joy and celebrate Christ simply in life. Actually, I wonder now how I ever had the time for decorations, shopping, baking, etc. done for the holidays.
Let each man be persuaded in his own heart for he will stand before the Lord for his own deeds.
It easy to say it when you don't have little ones and you haven't, you sound like you only had the one and he's grown now. And you really don't know what you would do if you had a grandchild. I was 40 when I had my last baby and let me tell you I was out of touch, I really was, with life. You'd be surprised how out of touch you get. But I tell you what, have a baby at 40 and you're plunged right back into everything. Now I am doing everything all over again, I'm older and don't have as much energy but have this little 9 year old that doesn't know he has an older mommy. LOL. I'm not being mean, but like I said it's easy for someone who no longer has a little one to talk. And what you did in your life is what you did. You say you don't do Christmas but you yourself admit that you do still get together to eat, so you really do do something. Everyone does, it is a fact that very very very few people go through the Christmas season and never do one thing for it and totally ignore it. You can't tell me they don't. Here, Faith, by the way you talk I would have thought you did absolutely nothing for Christmas and now you're even saying you eat together with others. LOL.
I don't even worry about it. I didn't make Christmas, I didn't make any of these holidays. I was just born here and I'm not about to spend my time or life trying hard to ignore something, I'm just not going to do that. To me they are a nothing anyway, anything that is not of Jesus is that to me. I don't care if there is a christmas or not, I don't care if there is a Halloween or not, those holidays are just something I have to endure through. I deal with them because each year Oct. 31st comes around and December 25th comes around.
Some of my most wonderful memories are of the nights before Christmas and trying so hard to sleep because I couldn't, every Christmas and I can still remember the toys I got every Christmas, and Halloween when I was allowed to go out 3 whole nights and run like a wild Indian and get lots of candy. Those are great memories for me. I didn't have a mom that did things with me, I didn't have a dad who did things with me, I didn't have a grandma that picked berries with me. The church destroyed the lives of the people around me and I didn't have memories with them. I can't help it that my good memories and happy times were of the holidays, but they were.
If I would feel condemned about being involved with worldly things, I'd feel condemned all the times. I've lived 27 years with children and I've watched one demonic toy and card game come out after another. One demonic TV show after another. They come so fast you can't even keep up with them. I let my son have some Yu G Oh cards before I realized what they were. Pokeman, Playstation, Yu G Oh, Star Wars (my oldest son was 4 years old when Star Wars came out, he never got involved with that) but I'm worn out now LOL. I have come to the conclusion that it's not my fault this world has greedy people in it that invent all these evil toys. I didn't make them, I only live here. And it's not my fault!!!! We got Yu G Oh cards in our house and guess what, I'm tired of always having to be the one that is having to deal with getting rid of these demonic games. That's a lot of work!!! If something happens to slip in, I'm sorry, I'm only one person!! I didn't make these evil toys, they didn't come from my brain, I'm not making a living off them.
You ever think about praying for all the mommies out there and daddies that are struggling to fight against this stuff???? I think that would do a lot more good than putting a burden on them that they can't bear.
Just my opinion because I'm living it.
God knows I live in this kind of world. He knows this righteous soul is vexed by the unrighteousness that it sees around it. Kind of like Lot. Where is His mercy that endures forever? Where is His mercy that is from everlasting to everlasting? He knows I don't like evil or desire it, but He's left me in this world to try and do the best to be in it not of it.
If I had a church it might be a lot more easy for me. I might get a little bit of help once in a while. But unfortunately I DON'T.
Of course we eat on holidays. We also eat on the other 364 days, unless fasting. We don't always eat with our extended families. Sometimes we do. Many times we just eat pizza or whatever we want to fix. It's no big deal. It's not Christmas dinner with all the hoopla. Sometimes we do have a turkey meal with the larger family. It doesn't matter to us if we do or not for it is just a meal, a time for family to gather. All meals can be that. We can gather other times of the year with extended family occasionally if schedules permit. You are trying to make something out of eating a meal into something it isn’t just because of the day.
Just because my son is grown doesn't mean I didn't go through his childhood explaining why we don't do certain things. I know the hurt others can bring by their attitudes calling you a scrooge and a party pooper. I know what if feels like to be different. Sooo, who cares what others think? You previously mentioned you were a non conformist. I disagree, it seems I am the one non conforming to societies expectations. I have to be true to my heart. During his entire childhood, I did not feel the urge to just give in and return to things I did not feel honored the Lord. Just because the world says it's ok to cheat, steal, commit adultery, etc. doesn't mean I'm going to do them because I live in the world.
I don't have a "church" group either; but am part of "the" church in Christ. I do what I do because I am convinced in my heart that those things are not helpful in growing in Christ. I'm not perfect but he has taken the desire for those things out of my heart. In other areas, he is still working; but I'm sure he can take those things from my heart too.
I'm not sure who you are trying to convince that it's ok. It is between you and God not me and you. I think I've shared enough on the subject; but don't try to justify yourself by saying even I eat on a certain day.
quote: To me they are a nothing anyway, anything that is not of Jesus is that to me. I don't care if there is a christmas or not, I don't care if there is a Halloween or not, those holidays are just something I have to endure through.
If they are really nothing to you, then why endure them? They are just days, the same as any other.
I’m sorry you didn’t have a mom or dad who did things with you and your only good memories are of things you got or getting to run like a wild Indian. Is that the kind of memories you want your children to have?
I sure hope my son remembers the things we did together as a family like building a bird house, listening to his grandmother sing and play the guitar, walking in God’s great woods, even the time he just about threw me off the four wheeler!
quote: I let my son have some Yu G Oh cards before I realized what they were. Pokeman, Playstation, Yu G Oh, Star Wars (my oldest son was 4 years old when Star Wars came out, he never got involved with that) but I'm worn out now LOL. I have come to the conclusion that it's not my fault this world has greedy people in it that invent all these evil toys. I didn't make them, I only live here. And it's not my fault!!!!
You are right. It is not your fault that these things exist. However, it is your responsibility to teach your children right from wrong. When my son was little, some one gave him a nija turtle. He played with it a lot. However, once he started to go to school, he wanted to watch the show. ( Before that he rarely got to see cartoons and then only the funny ones like Buggs Bunny, etc. We’d listen to Children’s Bible hour and other shows on the radio on Saturday mornings. ) I watched some of the turtles with him and read a bit about them and then used the show to show him the false religion being portrayed in the show. As I learned about the occult symbols, etc. used in the kids shows, I point them out to him as why we shouldn’t watch those particular shows. We really liked “Andy Griffin” and” Leave it to Beaver” and other old re-runs instead.
It is a hard job. It is tiring. But never, never give up on your kids. Scripture tells us to teach them in God’s ways all the time and when he is old he will not depart.
Deut. 6:7 (KJV) And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
Proverbs 22:6 (KJV) Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
I hope you will consider what you said about being worn out. You can do all things in Christ. He will strength and help you. Don’t give up or give in just because you are tired! Think about what you really want to be important to your children.
quote: You ever think about praying for all the mommies out there and daddies that are struggling to fight against this stuff???? I think that would do a lot more good than putting a burden on them that they can't bear.
Just my opinion because I'm living it.
Yes, I do. I’m praying for you right now, I know the world is getting worse and it’s harder and harder to keep our kids from evil. May the Lord strengthen you dear Sister Kim. May he help you fight the good fight. May he help you carry that heavy burden.
BTW, I did not put a burden on them, the world and sin does. I can’t lift that burden either; but I know one who can! I also live here in this old sin filled world; but I try to keep my eyes on the Lord and his ways.
I do admit that it is kind of stupid subject to talk about and one that Satan could use to bring disagreement, therefore perhaps should not be even discussed as I think there are much much more important things that the church needs to be concentrating on.
But I really don't like it when people who aren't in the situation, aren't going through it and it's SO easy for them to just "say" to those that are going through it presently and be so judgmental and not even be walking in our shoes. Because of what you "remember" going through with your child. I don't mean to take away from what you went through and your experience but dear I'm the one going through it. It's not as easy as some of you on the internet would make it sound, that is all I am saying. It's real easy when you don't have a child, when you're not the one with the whins and whimpers, when you've been away from the feeling for so many years to just tell us who are really living through it, what to do and how we are suppose to handle things. I'd like to see you have a 9 year old right now and I'm sure you think in your mind that it would be the same and that could be. But maybe, the Lord forbid, that you'll have a grandchild someday and something happens to you son or daughter and you're taking care of the grandchild as if it's your own. You might not be able to do things exactly how you did them with your first child. What I'm saying is that life isn't always all that easy.
People who think like you tend to put these kind of things in the category of evil. I don't think everything necessarily has to be handled like that, especially in our days. If you treated everything like that, then you wouldn't be sitting on your computer right now talking to me. Case in point. Because some people think a computer is so evil you shouldn't have one and people that do haven't put iniquity far from them. The evil in this world is far to vast anymore to say I'm not going to have a computer because it is evil, I'm not going to have a TV because it is evil, I'm not going to have a radio because it is evil. That could be said of everything these days.
As evil as this world is God still chooses to put us here and leave us here. Entertainment is growing more evil. As entertainment grows more and more evil and as more and more evil comes over the internet, does it make us evil that we are in a world like we are. What is happening is not our fault. I don't like the world today but I didn't contribute to it. How much more evil is it going to get? It's not a sin for me to live here. Jesus prayed that we would not be taken out of the world, I mean that was His prayer.
My son doesn't have a lot of things because I consider them evil but if he happens to get a deck of cards from a neighbor boy that I wouldn't perfer I don't freak out over it, cause it is happening right and left now. It's much worse then it was even 17 years ago. That's all I am saying. I do a good job of filtering it but it does get old always having to filter. I've filtered for 27 years now and it sure would have been nice if I didn't have to do any filtering at all. That would have really been nice, it does get rather tiring.
If you have a 9 year old and are living through it, then maybe I would be more open to hear what you are saying. But right now I just look at you and say well she doesn't even have a child, you don't know the pressure of today. You remember the pressures of raising a child a generation ago. Pressures go up, evil gets worse with each passing generation. You don't know what its like raising a child now, you remember what it was raising a child 20 years ago.
It just kind of makes me kind of mad sometimes, it really does around this holiday season. There are a lot more evil games and a lot more pressure to want them then just a generation ago. And you know what, it's not my fault it is like that. I do the best I can to keep up with it. And I think I do a pretty good job at it.
I'm not trying to convince anyone, I'm going to do what I know and have confidence in the Lord that I can do. But I'm not going to sit around and read these posts about what people say about Halloween and Christmas and then try and act like I'm someone else. I'm not skirting the issue, maybe I should avoid these kind of threads and will in the future. Theypeople that do talk about Halloween and Christmas do come across to me like a bunch of self righeous people who don't even have kids, most of them.
It's like I think everytime I read a thread about Halloween and Christmas. Real easy to "talk" it, if they had to live it now I'm sure it would be a different story.
And I do think, Faith, if you would be honest with yourself you are getting together for a meal for Christmas. So you must be persauded in your mind that it's OK to do that. So I'm just persuaded in my mind that its OK to do just alittle bit more than that. Let's all be honest with ourselves. I do think a little bit of Christmas has crept back in for you. And it is my opinion that it is that way for most people that say they don't celebrate Christmas. LOL, Faith you make me laugh. You really do. Oh yeah, I don't celebrate Christmas, but I do have a meal with my family. Sorry Faith LOL. Admit it maybe alittle bit of Christmas is hanging around you. LOL
Anyway, end of subject. It's kind of crazy thing to talk about. So stupid to talk about something like this when there are so many other very pressing issues at hand.
I took my son trick or treating and I will tell you I will next year too. People that don't like that, I guess they're just going to have to not like it, I don't know what to do for them. I guess tell them to pray for me.
I went out last Halloween to a cute little Disney town with 4 other families and 4 little boys all 9 years old. I had more fun in that night than I have in the past 25 years. It's sad to say that, it really is. Us adults walked around and chatted the whole time and strolled on a beautiful summer night here in Florida. First time I had friends around me in literally years and I'm not ashamed of it. If the people of the church don't want me, I'll take what I can get. Do you think the church people will do that for me? We just sit on here and argue, and I can tell you that ain't fun at all. So why aren't the church people getting together like this? Why isn't there any fellowship? Why when we get together is it always arguing. Why hasn't the church provided for its people what it should? To the point you have to go out into the world to find it? I'll never know!!!! Doesn't the bible talk about the "children of the world" sometimes doing things better than us. Why don't we have any feasts? Why don't we have any celebration? It takes away our families, we have no church, we have no fellowship, then they say we can't do fun things out there anymore. I'm telling you I've tried to live that way and you can't, it will kill you. You can't live without doing something. And you will learn that too Faith within time. If the church won't do it, then I'll take what I can get as much as I can without being "in the world". If the church people don't like it, then maybe they'd better change something.
Why aren't we renting a buiding in the Smokey's for a retreat and I'm getting together with 4 other couples in the Lord instead of having to walk around with 4 worldly couples?
Just doing a little complaining and venting, that's all.
Sigh....please help me next year to avoid all posts about Halloween and Christmas Lord.
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