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1 Cor. 15:52 (KJV) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
**How does the Lord come? **************“In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye,”
**It is quick. It is unexpected, thus we won’t realize the trumpets have been sounding. Thus, we need to be ready and watching now and at all times lest he catch us unaware like a thief in the night.
1 Thes. 5:4 (KJV) But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
1 Thes. 5:2 (KJV) For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
2 Peter 3:10 (KJV) But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Rev. 3:3 (KJV) Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
Rev. 3:11 (KJV) Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
Rev. 16:15 (KJV) Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Rev. 22:12 (KJV) And, behold, {b]I come quickly; and my reward is with me,[/b] to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev. 22:20 (KJV) He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
**Do the passages about coming as a thief, overtaking you as a thief, etc. deal with the time Christ comes for the saints? Yes, 1 Thes. 5:4 he addresses “brethren” and tells them they are “not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.” Very plain the event that happens quickly as a thief coming is when the Lord returns for his saints. It is mentioned in Rev. 3:3 as an “hour”. In 2 Peter 3:10 it is called the “day of the Lord” that comes as a thief and the day in which the heavens and earth shall melt and be burned up. Thus, the time Christ comes for his saints is the day of the Lord, the end of the world. Rev. 22:12 states he brings his reward for ‘every man” when he comes.
**When does it occur? At the last trump. At the same time the dead are raised and changed.
*************” at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.”
Matthew 24:30-31 (KJV) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. [31] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Rev. 1:7 (KJV) Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Luke 21:26-27 (KJV) Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. [27] And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
**Note they all see the Son of man coming thus proving he comes to gather his elect in front of all not in a secret rapture. The earth is mourning as they see him gather the saints for they know it is judgment day!
1 Thes. 4:16 (KJV) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the [/b]dead in Christ shall rise first:[/b]
[/b]John 5:25-29 [/b](KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall. live. [26] For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; [27] And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. [28] Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, [29] And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
**Note in verse 25 the hour is coming and now is that dead hear and live. That refers to the 1st resurrection. Spiritual in nature as in new life, new man, Christ in us.
**Note verse 28 hour is coming when all in the graves hear and rise, some to life and some to death. This is the second resurrection that occurs at the last trump. It is all in the graves that rise.
** Note verse 25 said dead but did not mention graves. They were not in graves but were spiritually dead in sin before being awakened to live in Christ.
Col. 3:4 (KJV) When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
2 Tim. 4:1 (KJV) I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
**Note we appear with Christ in glory when he appears (Col. 3:4) He also judges us (the quick) and the dead (the world) at his appearing! (2 Tim. 4:1) Same event!
Matthew 13:30-39 (KJV) Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn………………. [39] The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
**Note the wicked and righteous remain on the earth together until the harvest at the end or the world. The angels do the harvesting. All the dead rise some to life others to damnation. The church is not taken up for 7 years or for 1,000 years. The church goes up and the rest go to the lake of fire.
** When are the dead raised? When are the dead changed? Are we sure the saints rise from the dead the same day as the wicked or are these two separate events?
*************“the dead shall be raised incorruptible, we shall be changed.”
John 6:39-40 (KJV) And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. [40] And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:44 (KJV) No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:54 (KJV) Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 11:24 (KJV) Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
*Note, Lazrus was raised physically shortly after Martha said this. She was speaking of the resurrection of the saints which was the last day.
**When is wicked man judged?
John 12:48 (KJV) He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
**Note those who reject Christ are judged the last day, the same “last day” that Lazrus and other saints will be raised.
**Is the last trump the 7th trumpet of Rev.?
Rev. 10:7 (KJV) But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
Rev. 11:15 (KJV) And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever………………. Rev. 11:18 (KJV) And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
*Note at the time the seventh angel sounds it is the time of angry nations, God’s wrath, the judgment of the dead , the reward of saints and destruction of wicked. Previously we saw the dead saints rise the last day and the judgment of the wicked on the last day. Here we see this judgment is just after the seventh angel sounding also we see the saints getting their reward. Same day, same events.
**Sun darkened & moon to blood at 6th seal, just before day of Lord
Joel 2:30-31 (KJV) And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. [31] The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the Lord come.
Acts 2:19-20 (KJV) And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: [20] The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable[/b] day of the Lord come: [/b]
Rev. 6:12 (KJV) And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
Matthew 24:27 (KJV) For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Matthew 24:30-31 (KJV) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. [31] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Matthew 24:36 (KJV) But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Matthew 25:31-32 (KJV) When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: [32] And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Luke 12:37 (KJV) Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.
Mark 13:26-27 (KJV) And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. [27] And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
How many times does he come?
Hebrews 9:28 (KJV) So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
**More passages dealing with his appearing.
1 Peter 5:4 (KJV) And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.
2 Tim. 4:8 (KJV) Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.
**Note we shall get our rewards and crowns when he appears.
1 John 2:28 (KJV) And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
1 John 3:2 (KJV) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
1 Cor. 15:21-27 (KJV) For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. [22] For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. [23] But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. [24] Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. [25] For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. [26] The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. [27] For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
**Note everyone is made alive in order. Christ, the saints, the rest and the end comes when he shall have put down all enemies.
2 Thes. 2:1-3 (KJV) Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, [2] That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. [3] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
1 Thes. 4:13-18 (KJV) But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. [14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. [15] For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. [16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: [17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. [18] Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
2 Thes. 2:8-12 (KJV) And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: [9] Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, [10] And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. [11] And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: [12] That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
**Note he destroys the wicked one with the brightness of his coming.
2 Peter 3:10-13 (KJV) But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. [11] Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, [12] Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? [13] Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
**Note we look for a new heaven and new earth, not an earthly reign.
Joel 3:14-20 (KJV) Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision. [15] The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining. [16] The Lord also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the Lord will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel. [17] So shall ye know that I am the Lord your God dwelling in Zion, my holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy, and there shall no strangers pass through her any more.
Joel 2:31-32 (KJV) The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the Lord come. [32] And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord hath said, and in the remnant whom the Lord shall call.
Zeph. 1:14-18 (KJV) The great day of the Lord is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the Lord: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly. [15] That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness, [16] A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers. [17] And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the Lord: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung. [18] Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the Lord's wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land.
************Now the best for last. Look at this passage again.
John 5:24-29 (KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. [25] Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. [26] For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; [27] And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. [28] Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, [29] And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Did you notice the two resurrections spoken of in this passage?
quote:The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
NOW IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The first part of this passage(verse 25) refers to the first resurrection , the spiritual resurrection, being born again to the new life.
quote: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Vers 28 speaks of the second resurrection when the dead, all the dead in graves shall rise for their reward, life or damnation.
Let the word guide you.
Faith
-------------------- 1 Thes. 5:21 (KJV) Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
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Yes, very much of what you say can surely be true.
But there is still a problem with the order of things. There is apparently a 1000 year period between the 1st and 2nd resurrection. It has already been about 2000 years since what you call the 1st resurrection occurred. How do you account for this miscalculation on the part of our Lord?
Let me think...
27AD 1st Resurrection 2000 years pass, many saved and lost die ???? 2nd Resurrection, both saved and lost ???? 2nd death, but wait, some have only died once.
When does the 1st death occur for the lost that are alive at Christ's coming? What about the statement that says the "rest of the dead lived not again until the 1000 years was finished?"
No, the problem is that after Christ comes there is no more time for a 1,000 yr.
Rev. 10:6-7 (KJV) And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: [7] But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
John 5:24-29 esplains two different times that men are raised; but doesn't say how long between them. It shows one time that men are raised is on going now just as in the day of salvation is "today" or on going. It is plain the other refers to the day of the Lord which is yet future. No specific time is given between the two times.
BTW, It hasn't been more than 2,000 years since the first resurrection any more than it has been more than 2000 years since the day of salvation. They are on going.
The many verses I gave show without a doubt that the second coming is on the last day. They show that both the wicked and righteous are raised that day and rewarded that day. They do not give any indication that there is 1,000 years between the resurrection of life and of damnation. They both happen at Christ's second coming at the last trump and last day.
Why is it called last day? Because it is the final day for mankind as we know it.
The only mention of 1,000 years is in Rev. 20. Does it actually say there is 1,000 years between the 1st and 2nd resurrection?
Rev. 20:4-5 (KJV) ......... and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. [5] But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
No, it says they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. It says the rest of the dead lived not again till the 1,000 years were finished. Can we ever make a whole doctrine based on just one verse? Many do; but they are mostly fabrication.
As I see it, we could say they lived during the day of salvation, the time of the Gentiles with Christ. Remember we sit in the heavenlies with him now, though we are on the earth. Then the rest of dead or all of dead were raised after the time of the Gentiles was finished for judgement day has come.
How can you possibly get any time period after the second coming, day of Lord, judgment,and total destruction of the earth, other than eternity, of course?
Please provide scriptures that without a doubt prove a 1,000 year gap. I know the time is mentioned but there is no scripture that states it is an actual gap between resurrections.
Please also explain why the 1,000 has to be literal. Your view is from the assumption that it is literal. If so, there must be scripture to prove that. We know from the 70 weeks that numbers are not always literal.
Psalm 50:10 (KJV) For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.
If we take Ps. 50 literally, then the cattle on the thousandth and one hill belongs to someone else other than God. I may tell you that I have explained the subject to you a thousand times; but do I really mean 1,000? It could be more or less. I just mean a lot or in Rev. a long time or long age.
While there may be some problems with the view I've shared, I have given much scriptural proof; but you have yet to do so. Please elaborate with scripture.
While there may be some problems with the view I've shared, I have given much scriptural proof; but you have yet to do so. Please elaborate with scripture.
I'm still waiting for scriptures for your view.
Faith
-------------------- 1 Thes. 5:21 (KJV) Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
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I am still not sure what we are debating so it has been difficult for me to respond.
Yes, you have given many scriptures but I have failed to understand how they support your belief. When I read those verses I still interpret them with my own understanding. If you have a particular interpretation in mind that you wish for me to see then it would greatly benefit your position to put your thoughts along with the verses you quote.
Also, is there a particular truth for this time that we are driving towards? Surely we are not arguing just for the sake of argument, are we? Just as there were special truths for the people during Jesus' time, there are special truths for our present time as well. We live in the end of time, the last days.
Will the judgment that decides our fate happen in the last day, at the last trump? Or, will it happen at some point before Jesus comes? When the world was judged and destroyed by flood in the days of Noah, the last day occurred before the flood waters came. The animals and the eight souls that were saved went into the ark seven days before the waters came. Seven days past after their guilt was decided. They went in and the angel shut the door. For seven days not one soul repented but continued to laugh and mock until the heavens and fountains of the earth poured forth.
Jesus said that His coming would be like the days of Noah. People will not realize that their judgment has come and gone. When will our judgment happen?
quote:"Re 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
I believe this verse describes a last message for earth warning us to be aware that God's judgment has begun and we all need to repent and return to him and give him worship as Creator.
Do you have any thoughts on this relevant to the last trump and what we have been discussing about the last day? Could the last day when time is no more refer to the time when Jesus ceases his ministry on our behalf in heaven, stands up and proclaims "He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still," and lays off his priestly robes and puts on his kingly garments for battle?
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Sorry, if you don't get my meaning. The last trumpet blows, Christ returns, a shout goes out and all the dead hear him and rise at the same time some to life others to death. This is judgment day, the final outcome of eternity. The dead in Christ rise and those alive on the earth in Christ join them. Both these groups of believers are changed into incorruptable bodies for flesh and blood bodies can't enter the new earth and new Jerusalem. At the same time the wicked dead hear the shout and rise from their graves but they along with the other wicked still alive are cast into the lake of fire to be destroyed. The point of all the verses above was to show that when Christ returns, that's it. There are no second chances, there is no more earth for it is burned up. We have to be ready now for when he comes our fate is already decided. There is only one resurrection at Christ coming for all physically dead men to receive their reward, life or death for eternity.
The point of this and the other thread was to determine what the 1st resurrection was. This thread was started to show the first resurrection doesn't happen at Christ return. Why is it important? Well, people need to hear the gospel and respond. They need to die to sin and be raised in Christ today. Why? Because today is the day of salvation, there ard no more chances after he comes, it will be too late. Thus, men need to be spiritually awakened now while they can.
As far as I can tell you have given me only Rev. 20 to prove your theory of what the first resurrection is. you have not explained any of the verses I have given in light of your belief. Thus, I can only guess that you have no verses to prove what you believe.
Is there any point in discussing further? One reason for discussing in the first place was the false teaching of a peaceable kingdom with a return to temple worship which give people hope for salvation after Christ return. However, you nor I believe that and no one else has expressed an opinion so guess that belief isn't an issue here.
Does it matter if the period in Rev. 20 refers to the church age when the gospel goes out and we reign with Christ now; versus refering to a thousand year period of judgment after Christ returns. If it doesn't matter, then we should stop discussing. If you have no scriptures to explain you theory, then we should also stop. Maybe it's time to look at another piece of the puzzle.
We hold so many beliefs in common. Because of this, I am pondering now if there is reason to debate the 1st resurrection. I am looking for something that would make this an important doctrinal discussion. Does it detract from other truths? Does it add? I am not burdened to prove myself right or you wrong. I may change my mind later if the Lord reveals to me a reason to correct either one of us. At this moment, we have so many beliefs in common that I don't see, right now, that this will make a difference either way. Again, I reserve the right to change my mind.
If I understand you correctly, you are considering the change of heart a person experiences at conversion as the 1st resurrection. I can kinda see your point with all the verses talking about quickening, and phrases like from the dead, and alive.
How do you see the quickening? In what way are we changed by this 1st resurrection? In other words, how do we know we have gone through our own 1st resurrection?
What I see are two types of people: 1) Those who are alive, yet dead 2) Those who are dead, yet alive
Those who are alive to this world are spiritually dead. Those who are dead to this world, are spiritually alive. Does that make sense? Not much, yet it is Bible truth.
I am going to illustrate my point from Roman 8:5-11. I am going to quote the same verses twice. The first time I will strike-out the spiritual portions and leave the fleshly portions. The second time I will reverse the two.
We all started here:
quote:For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; For to be carnally minded is death; Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Did you notice that the carnal mind is death because it is enmity against God. Enmity? How so? It is not subject to the law of God. There is not faith in Jesus as a Savior from sin so without faith it is impossible to please God.
But we need to be here:
quote:they that are after the Spirit [do mind] the things of the Spirit. [For] to be spiritually minded is life and peace. But [ye are] in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
The two are opposites. One has the spirit of enmity against God and his law. The other, however has the Spirit of God dwelling in them. They are not antagonistic towards God or his law. Therefore, they have peace with God and life. Sin is the transgression of the law and the end of sin is death. Peace is having the love of God and his law in your heart and mind. "I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart." The carnal mind has not subjected itself to the law of God and it cannot without the power of God. Under the New Covenant, God has promised to write his law in our hearts and minds. We don't need to struggle against sin by obeying the letter of the law. We need to exercise faith in Jesus to cleans us from all our sins. What we need most is to learn to love Jesus. If we love him, then we will love his law.
quote:For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh,
The law has no power to save us. It only condemns our sinful ways. We have no power in our flesh to keep the law. That is an impossibility. None need try.
But God's wrath will be against the disobedient. We are all lost! No, there is hope!!
quote:God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
By faith in Christ and his atoning sacrifice on the cross, we can be cleansed from our sins and love to please God. The righteousness of the law that we all desire and need in order to have peace with God will be fulfilled in us because we will have the spirit of Jesus in our hearts and minds. But we must start with the law so we can appreciate the cross. We must see ourselves as great sinners, lost forever, if not for the cross.
Does this constitute the 1st resurrection? If so, then we all need to ask ourselves the question. Have I been "resurrected" in Christ? Am I a child of peace, or wrath?
quote:How do you see the quickening? In what way are we changed by this 1st resurrection? In other words, how do we know we have gone through our own 1st resurrection?
The same way we know if we have been born again, does the Lord live in us and we in him?
quote:What I see are two types of people: 1) Those who are alive, yet dead 2) Those who are dead, yet alive
Those who are alive to this world are spiritually dead. Those who are dead to this world, are spiritually alive. Does that make sense? Not much, yet it is Bible truth.
It is true and if we look at it through our fleshly eyes it seems nonsensical. Thus, we must remember to look at things spiritual through spiritual eyes with the help of our teacher the Holy Ghost.
quote:Does this constitute the 1st resurrection? If so, then we all need to ask ourselves the question. Have I been "resurrected" in Christ? Am I a child of peace, or wrath?
Yes I believe it does. Yes, we need to know and that is one reason we are to prove all things; that we don't get deceived into false doctrines, especially a false gospel that teaches a future time to be saved.
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