House Church Talk - Re: Was baptisms Now dispensations/ Preterism
david at housechurch.org
Tue Feb 10 01:28:06 EST 2004
>Brother, where did you learn that all of scripture was written before A.D.
>Relative to events and the dates of the writing of the various epistles
>which have been put in the margins of my Bible (The Newberry Reference Bible
>KJV), I found the following dates of writing from A.D.67 onward:
>A.D.67 -the final events of Acts 28,
>A.D.68 -Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, Hebrews
>A.D.69 - I Timothy, Titus
>A.D.70 -II Timothy, II Peter, Jude
>A.D. 94 - I, II and III John and the Revelation
>I'm sure that if Jesus had returned in A.D. 70, John surely would have said
>something about it!
I would be interested in seeing what dates other Study Bibles put on
these NT books. Anyone?
Bruce, I have read that Irenaeus is the ONLY source for the late dating
of Revelation. Other "sources" just quote him. John, in Rev, speaks of
Nero Caesar as still on the throne. He died in June 68. This, according
to a commentary by David Chilton. Another book lists several pages of
scholarly works preferring the early dates.
I'll look into this further - I thought I once read a compelling case
that the "coming of the Lord" could mean (in Scripture) coming in
judgment via secondary means, that is, not in person.
Just found this book review on http://www.eschatology.org/material.html:
In The Glory of the Father
by Don K. Preston
In the Glory of the Father is an in-depth study of the nature and timing
of the Judgment Coming of Jesus. Simply stated, Jesus said he was going
to come in the glory of his Father. That meant he was going to come as
the Father had come, and the Father had come many times in the past. Yet,
the Father had never come visibly, bodily, physically. he had always
manifest Himself in history by using one nation to judge another nation.
In the Glory of the Father not only proves beyond doubt that Jesus'
Second Coming was at the time of the fall of Jerusalem in A.D. 70, it
interacts with and refutes the popular futurism of Tim LaHaye, and John
McArthur, as well as Thomas Ice and Grant Jeffrey. In fact, Glory
responds, point by point, to John MacArthur's new book, The Second
Coming, and as one reviewer has said, "swept the ground" of MacArthur's
arguments. One noted evangelist said that the refutation of MacArthur's
work alone is worth the price of Glory.
I'll look further and pray for more light. God bless you all!
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