House Church Talk - Re: Culting of the HC movement -response from John White

[His Servant]

Scott,
Sorry I have obviously offended you.  I sent John's post to the list.  You
responed!  If you wanted to you could have responded to his email which I
enclosed.  It was clear what I was doing.  I also sent your responses to him
directly.

I did not share any confidential information and I have shared all your
responses with him.

JC
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Dowlen" <scottdowlen at cox.net>
To: <House Church Talk  at housechurch.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 1:06 PM
Subject: RE: House Church Talk -  Re: Culting of the HC movement -response from John
White


> I think, if I recall, that passing along the messages is against the list
> policy. I may be thinking of another list.
>
> Regardless, sending the messages along without the context of the whole
> discussion, and without preparing an IC minister for the real, raw, HC
view
> is unfair to John White and us, too.
>
> Obviously, he is unclear where we are coming from and feels attacked. I
can
> sympathize deeply with that feeling. He did not have the advantage of
> discussing this in the context of a relationship or commonality in Christ,
> and may feel quite blind-sided by the feedback he's getting.
>
> I also understand your intention, and appreciate your desire for openness
> and honesty. I just think this wasn't the way to do it.
>
> John is free to join is this conversation (IMO) by becoming a member and
> getting to know more about the folks and views found here. We may also
learn
> a lot from him. If I felt the need to confront him on his error or 'take
him
> aside' as Priscilla and Aquila did for Apollos, I would certainly have
done
> so, to the extent possible given that I have no relational context in
which
> to do that. The first step would not have been to blast him, but to open
up
> a dialog and build whatever kind of mutual understanding and common ground
> we could find.  After this, it may be a very difficult thing to establish.
>
> I pray that I am wrong...
>
>
> Scott Dowlen
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: House Church Talk -bounces at housechurch.org
> > [mailto:House Church Talk -bounces at housechurch.org]On Behalf Of His Servant
> > Sent: Saturday, 07 August, 2004 12:35 PM
> > To: House Church Talk
> > Subject: House Church Talk -  Re: Culting of the HC movement -response from John
> > White
> >
> >
> >
> > I have been sending the observations posted on this list to
> > John White because he originally sent out the Covenant HC
> > overseers.  Here is his response.  I think this was written
> > in response to a comment from Claire.  Maybe he should joing
> > the conversation (my intent when sending this to him)
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: DenverWH at aol.com
> > To: His_Servant_4evr at hotmail.com
> > Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 9:04 AM
> > Subject: Re: House Church Talk -  Culting of the HC movement
> >
> >
> > I'm not sure who you are since there is no name attached to
> > this email.
> >
> > You apparently feel that the Covenant for Simple Church
> > Overseers does not square with your understanding of Biblical
> > values.  This is certainly a reasonable topic for discussion.
> >  However, have some observations about the way you are
> > raising the issues.
> >
> > 1.  Seems to me that Jesus' model was that if you have a
> > problem with someone, you would go to them privately first
> > with a desire to 'win your brother'.
> >
> > 2.  Your criticism are extremely harsh and sarcastic.  "A new
> > market to exploit...imposed hierarchal business management
> > structure...far more sinister...horrid...cult"  This type of
> > language doesn't sound like Jesus at all and certainly
> > doesn't invited dialogue.  Is this the way that mature,
> > responsible Christians treat each other?
> >
> > 3.  You were not seeking any more information.  You didn't
> > ask any questions.  Are you quite sure you understand this
> > particular network well enough to publically brand it a
> > "cult"?  Are you quite sure that you know Tim Pynes and
> > myself well enough to imply that we are "cult" leaders?
> >
> > John White
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 8/7/2004 1:51:15 AM Mountain Daylight
> > Time, His_Servant_4evr at hotmail.com writes:
> >
> > > Covenant for Simple Church Overseers in New Heart Community
> >
> > Well, it looks like the Florida five moved to Denver.  Ah, a
> > new market to
> > exploit.  One grassroots movement + imposed hierarchal
> > business management
> > structure = well manicured and landscaped lawns behind tall
> > fences.  This is
> > far more sinister than IC leadership structure.  As I
> > mentioned previously
> > about the hc situation, When she was good she was very, very
> > good, and when
> > she was bad, she was horrid."
> >
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