Contemporary Christian Music

Hey Tim, come back here. You replied the other day on a thread here about "really singing to one another". 

Others can weigh in, too, of course. Because whoever controls the music - has a huge amount of influence in this world. 

Out there somewhere and on this Site is Dan B, a semi-professional musician. Also William G from Kenya, a noted recording artist and song-writer.

True, we must be slow to criticize the worship of others. In this life - we seldom get perfection in any area. I realize that. 

Myself? With regard to music, I can handle all the heat if there is light to go along with it. God created us as emotional beings.

Still, I wonder about the "Contemporary Christian Music" scene. And I am sad to see majestic hymns which have blessed so many now falling by the way.

OK. The Old Testament temple worship was quite formal as was much of the worship up through the Middle Ages and thereafter, too. There were ornate processions, chants, readings in Latin. The spotlight followed men in long robes across the front.

Is the Church not falling back to this spectator mentality? Even after the fulfilment and destruction of the sacred Temple and it's system? 

I've been to a number of these shows, where most everyone was sitting in darkness and expected to clap when the song ended. 

Less and less participation in our churches - more and more spectatorship seems to be the trend. Whether it be the mega-pastor or the mega-worship leader. 

The person in this photo and on the big screen behind him, for example, even offers a VIP Backstage Pass... for just a few hundred dollars more than the ticket price...

Jesus Christ - the greatest story ever sold.

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    • Brother David!  Good morning from California.  "Jesus Christ, the greatest story ever sold."  

      Oh, my, you did say that, didn't you?

      Side note: by the way, yes, 1st century Christians had a great word for what you just said, a great Greek word. "χριστέμπρός," or for our Roman brothers and sisters, Christempros.  What does it mean?   Well, we know the word "Christ."  After that there is "-empros."   Buried in there is a word we know, but we might not know that we know it.  "-empros," as in "emporium."  

      There are two words in the New Testament for "California Shopping Mall," "agora" and "emporium."  Agora is community "market-center."  Emporium, however, is "international trade center."   Related to that, 1st century Christians had a term for people who were "Christ-Traders," as if they were Merchants of Jesus, selling him for import, export, and domestic consumption.  No, sir, it was not very polite at all.  Even been walking down a street in New York when the guy shouts out, "Hey, sailor, where's your date?!"   That is exactly the tone that Greek word carried.  

      That aside, -

      Brothers and sisters, I have a confession to make, I have tried, and tried, and tried to join and be a member of one of these huge Christian churches like in David's picture.  Yes, time and time again, I have tried to squirm past the music and just try to appreciate it and celebrate God in all ways with all people.  Brothers and sisters, my confession is this.  I cannot stand the electric guitar.  I am sorry.  I cannot get past it, and I can get past a lot of stuff.  It is perhaps a cultural thing.   I prefer musical instruments that put me in direct harmony with God's total creation, the sympathetic harmony of God's total Cosmos.  You are probably right; it is probably a cultural thing. 

      So, it isn't just the format that I cannot get my spirit and soul wrapped around, it is the instruments that they got from a North Korean prison yard sale that they use to make that racket.  

      1) It is entertainment, and God would probably rather have me help row than just watch the trireme go by.
      2) It is musical elitism, but God wants all his children to have an opportunity to be in the band.
      3) These "Cruise Ship Churches" only play one, that is one type of Christian music - theirs, and they do not value, accept, or open their doors and hearts to Christian music from other, more culturally diverse Christians.
      Find me one of these huge Cruise Ships for Christ things that has ever invited a group of monks to sing in Aramaic and I'll paint the building. Why can't I walk into one of these places on Wednesday night to come and pray and then listen to some sisters sing who are from war-torn Lebanon? Why? Simple reason, their hearts are closed to outsiders.
      4) It is entertainment for only a certain type of Christian, not all Christians.  

      When I go to fellowship and there is a guest speaker, I want to learn to sing the Lord's Prayer in Chinese, the way it is sung secretly in Chinese work camps.   

      I am sorry.  Forgive me, but it isn't just the electric guitar.  Although to my naive ears it sounds like a steel gauntlet on a black chalkboard, also it is that I have been Graced to visit small, secret Fellowships where everyone there sang very quietly, and it was a prayer.  I once was taken to a home in the Middle East where the only place they could baptize each other was in the home's shower.  

      I could be wrong, so please forgive me.  But I sense these musical shows are a manifestation of post-Reformation yew-yoga where you "sit, receive, and give money."  I guess, - that isn't what I feel God has shown me what Christ and Christianity are actually all about.   Matthew 10:1-12.  It wasn't about "sitting, receiving, and giving money."  It seems to me that Jesus was all about "going, sharing, and giving one's heart."   

      Paul said to "fight a good fight."   Is that a mistranslation?  Did Paul really say, "Sit a good sit?"  Well, I have looked at that and "fight a good fight" is a pretty good translation, although anemic.  The context means a cestus, put on the cestus, wrap your knuckles in iron straps, and get in the arena.  

      I honestly don't think that it is judging another person's form of worship, although some may feel that way.  I think it is merely looking at scripture and looking for our own lives for what means what, and what is it specifically that God wants from us as unique individuals in his name to do.  

      The leadership of these places are just trying to make Byzantine Apollo Day, 10:00 AM to 12: 00 PM, Apollo's Hour (Law passed in 321 AD), more enjoyable.  In my case, I don't just reject the music.  I reject the paper that the music is written on.

      Sorry.




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      • That really is a great picture that in its image poses a challenge.

        I have heard this kind of music on the radio here in the states.  I have also visited three "churches" like this seen in your posted picture, one in North Carolina and two in Alaska.  Lights, even smoke coming out!

        While many Christians around the world are trapped into various forms of post-Byzantine orthopraxy, the right ritual, by the right person, on the right day, a serious spiritual crutch, the mass commercialization of Christ is to a relative degree unique to the culture of North America, and it is its own kind of crutch.  However, once outside of the United States, few Christians actually listen to this sort of thing.  

        On the secular side, in Africa, it is somewhat like a kind of music from Nigeria called "Juju."  Once outside Nigeria, few Africans listen to the stuff.  Contrary to that, once outside of South Africa and Mali as two examples, their music has no cultural boundaries and is heard everywhere.   We can hear the music of Mali played in cafes all through Paris.  Mali inspired, or Congolese, or even South African sounds are ubiquitous in Europe.

        To me, American Christian pop music is a kind of Juju of Christianity.   The locals seem to love it.

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        • it is very true that whoever controls music has a huge amount of influence. God has blessed all of us with talents and gift. in the beginning was worship in heaven and today and forever will be worship, it is one of the powerful ministries today and even in heaven. God spent 5days in the book of Genesis saying ( iwill quote and God said, ) then the 6th day God use his hands to create man and the 7th day he rested from all his works. i want to repeat and copy what God did , everything we do today and anything that will be done today, is what God did and the institution God has put in place. when Jesus came to this world , all through his ministry He used His tongue, and even in the wilderness, he defeated the devil through the words that came from Hid Tongue , Jesus Said, " it is written" he repeated what is in place and the institution God has put in place. the Tongue has both the power to kill and to make alive "Proverbs 18:21 puts it this way: “The tongue has the power of life and death." Proverbs 18:21 confirms this by saying, "Death and life are in the power of the tongue, and those who love it will eat its fruits." james 3;Likewise the tongue is a small part of the body , but it makes great boasts. Consider what a great forest is set on fire by a small spark. The tongue is also a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body. It corrupts the whole person, sets the whole course of his life on fire, and is itself set on fire by ****.Before Lucifer became Satan after fall."Isaiah 14:12-17

          King James Version

          12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

           

          13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

           

          14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

           

          15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to ****, to the sides of the pit.

           

          16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

           

          17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

           

          i would like to make all of us understand ,Lucifer who was incharge of music/worship in heaven was most powerful angel. he uses his tongue, voice to worship and that is how powerful our voice and Tongue us to our Jehovah. there many references to music, psalms , hyms and spiritual songs in the bible. also in Revelation 14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder. Evidently the song. am in kenya, i do not have much resources like what others do, i do not come from a rich family or acountry that empwoers musician or talent to mention, ido not come from acountry where, there are many scholarship for musician or creatives. hence what i have is talent, pure talent and i know for sure i am gifted to glorify God and change my community and the entire world with my music and the message in my music. i have faith in God, i know many are asking what is my vision or mission, i already have 6 albums of audio music , i have not produced the videos due to lack or resources and instrument to do so. i have prayer items to include to what i ahave written, i will use my tongue to sing and glorify God. i have avision and mission to reach to the hurting world through my music and to preach, teach, encourage and transform lives through my music, empower other creatives and musician and give them aplatform to showcase their gift and talent, and to empower them in all ways with Gods love, pray for me and my community and kenya. prayer items; 1. am believing God for audio/video studio recording equipments to be able to record both audio and video music, both in studio and in outside ministry. 2. am believing God for a 10,000 seater tent, seat and powerful steel pulpit , truck, lorry for carrying the tents and seats, powerful public address/sound equipment, and musical instrument for use in our music performances around our country. am believing God for a strong team, local and abroad who will work with me, to do both production and marketing of the music, logistics, talent training for the creative, we are believing God to build atalent center , to train musician, especially in worship , praise , production, voice, / school of music. i do not have resources for to do this, but i have faith in God, that Genesis 15;6 Abram believed the LORD , and the LORD considered his response to faith as proof of genuine loyalty. God. Me too i know that God will bring all this things, God can use anything and anyone from anywhere. my contact is lagloc@yahoo.com. pray with me, talk to me, believe with me and run with this vision. Music is powerful and i will use my voice / my music to change the world. Blessings. William Getumbe https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCy9dZd604An69uezQ4pWTHg

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