House Church Talk - Re: Was baptisms Now dispensations again
bwood4d at hotmail.com
Fri Feb 6 19:27:59 EST 2004
I think I understand a little better where you are coming from now! I too
was raised in a thoroughgoing dispensational background in which the likes
of the "Late Great Planet Earth" and the "Left Behind Series" would have
been "the cat's meow"! However, in recent years, I have come to reject many
dispensational doctrines such as "the pre-trib rapture" the"7 year
tribulation", "the imminent return of Christ" etc etc. The reason for
rejecting each and every one of these was simply that they are never stated
in scripture! I do not believe that any doctrine is a scriptural doctrine
which is not stated in words of scripture!
Come to think about it, I don't think the Lord Jesus ever did promise to
return "soon"! Only "quickly"! (Rev.22:7,12,20)
I do not see any difficulty at all with the expression "this generation" in
Mat thew 24:34, Mark 13:30 and Luke 21:32. The Lord Jesus did NOT say to the
disciples with whom He was actually speaking , "YOUR GENERATION shall not
pass until all be fulfilled"! Rather he described events that would take
place and be observed by the people who lived contemporaneously with ALL
those prophesied events. (Matt.24:33) Obviously some generations have
witnessed events that are similar to SOME of the events Jesus described.
However, the generation of which He spoke will see ALL of these events
INCLUDING a time of great tribulation followed immediately by the darkening
of the sun, the moon being turned to blood, the stars falling from the
heavens, the powers of the heavens being shaken, the sign of the Son of Man
in heaven, all tribes of earth mourning when they see Him coming, and the
angels being sent with the sound of a great trumpet to gather the elect from
earth and heaven! (Matt.24:29-31)
It is the generation that sees ALL of these things that will know that THE
END OF THE AGE (the subject about which the disciples had been asking in
Matt.24:3) is "near, even at the doors." (24:33)
These events did NOT occur in A.D. 70 so the preterist view of Matt.24 does
not hold any water whatsoever!
(Does this help to deal with the word "generation" in the specific context
in which it is found without having to stretch some outlandish definition
for a "generation" to fit one's theological or eschatological view?)
If we simply allow scripture to say exactly what it says (in the very words
of scripture), I believe that we cannot deny that the coming of the Lord
will be a post tribulation event. Therefore, we need to be prepared in mind
and heart for a time of great tribulation during which the "little horn" of
Daniel 7 or "the beast" of Rev.13 will make war with, prevail over,
overcome and wear out the saints who will be "given into his hand" for a
time, times a nd half a time. (Dan.7:21-25 and Rev.13:7)
We are not promised REST from trouble BEFORE the greatest time of trouble
the world will ever see, but rather our rest is promised WHEN THE LORD
JESUS SHALL BE REVEALED FROM HEAVEN WITH HIS MIGHTY ANGELS IN FLAMING FIRE
TAKING VENGEANCE ON THEM THAT KNOW NOT GOD AND OBEY NOT THE GOSPEL OF OUR
LORD JESUS CHRIST! II Thess.1:6-10
Personally, I cannot understand how the preterist view can be given any
credence at all. Does anybody here hold this view? If so, could you explain
it for me and how it accounts for ALL THE EVENTS of Matt 24 being fulfilled
in A.D. 70?
Nor can the pre-tribulation rapture, the imminent return of Christ or the 7
year tribulation theories be given any credence apart from any specific
scriptural statements that teach such doctrines. Does anyone here know of
any statements of scripture which teach these doctrines?
I believe that we must evaluate any and every doctrine by such scriptures as
Psalm 12:6; Proverbs 30:5,6 and I Cor.2:12,13.
Thanks Dan! I hope to hear more from you and others on these things.
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