House Church Talk - Re: House Church Talk Digest, Vol 3, Issue 118 - Jesus chooses

[Claire Bennett]

In the business world we have what is labeled "barriers to entry."  These
barriars might be regulations, finances, lobbying efforts, prejudice, to
name a few.  For example, a physician who trained outside the US cannot
practice here except under very restricted conditions, courtesy of the
well-funded medical lobby.  I have a friend who's Chinese mother speaks
little English, however, she is the most incredible cook.  We were
discussing how it would be fun and profitable if this lady could make some
of her signature egg rolls and dumplings and sell them by the local
university.  My friend looked into it and discovered it would take an
investment of more than 20K to take care of all the necessary equipment,
liscensing, insurance, legal papers etc.

The Lord doesn't create barriers to entry - to his kingdom, to
participation, to ministry...he opens doors, he makes paths through the sea
and calls things that are not as though they are.  He delights in using the
foolish and weak things, those despised in the eyes of the world.  I think
he includes those who are foolish, weak and despised in the eyes of the
(worldly thinking) church too :)
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>    1. Look who Jesus Chose (Claire Bennett)
>    2. Re: Look who Jesus Chose (Janet Murphy)
>    3. Re: Look who Jesus Chose (rebelfire at juno.com)
>    4. Re: Look who Jesus Chose (Janet Murphy)
>    5. Re: Look who Jesus Chose (rebelfire at juno.com)
>    6. Re: Look who Jesus Chose (Dan Beaty)
>    7. harvest is great - laborers few (David Anderson)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 10:56:16 -0700
> From: "Claire Bennett" <clairebnntt at cox.net>
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> ON the subject of qualifications for ministry - just take a look at who
Jesus chose.  Not exactly A-list.From glennfrank at earthlink.net Sat Apr 24
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> On 4/24/04 10:56 AM, "Claire Bennett" <clairebnntt at cox.net> wrote:
>
> > ON the subject of qualifications for ministry - just take a look at who
Jesus
> > chose.  Not exactly A-list.
> >
>
>
> Very True Claire.
>
> The interesting thing to me was that although some of the disciples may
have
> had existing "leadership skills" or traits when they were called
> (Personality wise - such as Simon Peter, or in their
> political/social/religious fervor like Simon the Zealot) most of them were
> followers rather than leaders.
>
> Yet we see that Jesus made them in to Leaders...
> When they were filled with the Spirit...
>
> True, there are some people who will take on more overt roles as leaders
in
> the church, but all believers are called to be leaders of some sort. That
is
> where the fallacy of the "clergy and Laity" distinction is in error.
> Everyone in the body should be active, not passive in their role in the
> church body. Otherwise they are not fulfilling the many "one-another"
> commands. Distinguishing some as clergy and others as laity only breeds
> incorrect assumptions about the levels of leadership and responsibility in
> the church.
>
> (Ok... I am down off my soap box now)
>
> Glenn Frank
>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 16:57:10 -0500
> From: "Janet Murphy" <dreamgirl at indy.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: House Church Talk -  Look who Jesus Chose
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> Claire ~
> I have really been enjoying your posts.  Well thought out, and I don't
find
> you faulty of having an axe to grind.
>
> It kinda sounds like though if you actually meet Jonathan Lindvall, et al,
> people have a different take on things.  David Anderson seems to think
> things are cool, as well as Dan Beaty.  I highly esteem both of these
dudes.
>
> So, I'm wondering......do we all look different on paper, as opposed to an
> actual encounter in the flesh???  Does that tell us anything?  Inquring
> minds want to know :-)
>
> Also, for David....you mentioned something about changing your opinions on
> women being silent?  Does that mean they should or shouldn't remain
silent?
>
> Have a good weekend!  I've enjoyed reading all the posts on this thread!
>
> janet
> www.janetmurphy.net
>
>
>
>
> From: "Claire Bennett" <clairebnntt at cox.net>
> To: <House Church Talk  at housechurch.org>
> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 12:56 PM
> Subject: House Church Talk -  Look who Jesus Chose
>
>
> ON the subject of qualifications for ministry - just take a look at who
> Jesus chose.  Not exactly A-list.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 22:35:54 GMT
> From: rebelfire at juno.com
> Subject: Re: House Church Talk -  Look who Jesus Chose
> To: House Church Talk  at housechurch.org
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>
> Well Janey, David and his family met with us last Sunday and I am pretty
sure Carolyn did some speaking.  :-)
>
> RJ
>
>
>
> -- "Janet Murphy" <dreamgirl at indy.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >Also, for David....you mentioned something about changing your >opinions
on women being silent?  Does that mean they should or >shouldn't remain
silent?
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 17:41:27 -0500
> From: "Janet Murphy" <dreamgirl at indy.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: House Church Talk -  Look who Jesus Chose
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> Janey???????
> I hate the name "Janet", but Janey is simply out of the
> question........hehehehe
>
> Glad to hear that David is letting the little woman speak :-)
>
> janet
> www.janetmurphy.net
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <rebelfire at juno.com>
> To: <House Church Talk  at housechurch.org>
> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 5:35 PM
> Subject: Re: House Church Talk -  Look who Jesus Chose
>
>
> >
> > Well Janey, David and his family met with us last Sunday and I am pretty
> sure Carolyn did some speaking.  :-)
> >
> > RJ
> >
> >
> >
> > -- "Janet Murphy" <dreamgirl at indy.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Also, for David....you mentioned something about changing your
>opinions
> on women being silent?  Does that mean they should or >shouldn't remain
> silent?
> >
> >
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 00:31:31 GMT
> From: rebelfire at juno.com
> Subject: Re: House Church Talk -  Look who Jesus Chose
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> OPPS  TYPO   SORRY   Fat fingers and brain tired
>
>
>
> -- "Janet Murphy" <dreamgirl at indy.rr.com> wrote:
> Janey???????
> I hate the name "Janet", but Janey is simply out of the
> question........hehehehe
>
> Glad to hear that David is letting the little woman speak :-)
>
> janet
> www.janetmurphy.net
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <rebelfire at juno.com>
> To: <House Church Talk  at housechurch.org>
> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 5:35 PM
> Subject: Re: House Church Talk -  Look who Jesus Chose
>
>
> >
> > Well Janey, David and his family met with us last Sunday and I am pretty
> sure Carolyn did some speaking.  :-)
> >
> > RJ
> >
> >
> >
> > -- "Janet Murphy" <dreamgirl at indy.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Also, for David....you mentioned something about changing your
>opinions
> on women being silent?  Does that mean they should or >shouldn't remain
> silent?
> >
> >
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 10:18:46 -0400
> From: "Dan Beaty" <dlbeaty at copper.net>
> Subject: Re: House Church Talk -  Look who Jesus Chose
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> Glenn,
>
> Any room on that soap box for me?
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Glenn Frank" <glennfrank at earthlink.net>
>
> > Yet we see that Jesus made them in to Leaders...
> > When they were filled with the Spirit...
> >
> > True, there are some people who will take on more overt roles as leaders
> in
> > the church, but all believers are called to be leaders of some sort.
That
> is
> > where the fallacy of the "clergy and Laity" distinction is in error.
> > Everyone in the body should be active, not passive in their role in the
> > church body. Otherwise they are not fulfilling the many "one-another"
> > commands. Distinguishing some as clergy and others as laity only breeds
> > incorrect assumptions about the levels of leadership and responsibility
in
> > the church.
> >
> > (Ok... I am down off my soap box now)
>
> That is my main reasoning that "silent women in the assembly" seems
> inconsistent to what God is doing today in house church, and other small
> group settings. There are so many places in the NT where "every member,
the
> functioning of every part, every gift " is emphasized. This is not to
> downplay leadership, as some have done, and even some attempt to eliminate
> it altogether. The real need is to release every gift, including the
> equipping gifts, so that the whole body can be built up.
>
> Dan B.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 10:30:37 -0400
> From: David Anderson <david at housechurch.org>
> Subject: House Church Talk -  harvest is great - laborers few
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>
> RE: The harvest is great - laborers few OR the superiority of a heavenly
> crown.
>
>       ------------------------
>
> When boxer Riddick Bowe gave up his career to join the Marines a few
> years ago, he quit after eight days, saying he didn't want to give up his
> individuality. Earlier this month, Tiger Woods' commitment was half that
> long. He made news by going through four days of military training.
>
> Meanwhile, of course, real soldiers served anonymously in real conflicts
> in Iraq and Afghanistan.
>
> On Thursday night, former Arizona Cardinals safety Pat Tillman was killed
> in a firefight while on combat patrol in Afghanistan. He was 27. In May
> 2002, he passed on a three-year, $3.6 million offer to play football,
> instead signing for three years in the Army at $18,000 a year. He joined
> the elite Army Rangers, who serve as commandos striking behind enemy
> lines.
>
> Now he's being heralded an American hero. In a time when our athletes are
> pampered and individualistic, Tillman gave it all up to fight for his
> country. What other athlete would ever have done such a thing?
>
> Here are a few: Bob Feller. Warren Spahn. Ted Williams. They are all
> superstar baseball players from the past.
>
> http://www.suntimes.com/output/sports/cst-nws-tillman25.html
>
> 1 Cor. 9:24-25 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one
> receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. And every man that
> striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to
> obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.
>
> Matt. 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or
> sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my
> name¹s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting
> life.
>
> So, let us draw courage from excellence, wherever it is to be found.
>
>       David Anderson
>
>
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